Gayle King show one of my favorite people in the world is Nelson Mandela and I feel so honored. To have had the pleasure of meeting him. We did oh interview. Oprah did for O the Oprah magazine and I I met him and then when we did Christmas kindness I met him then. And in South Africa last month. We -- to drive by just to pay our respects to Nelson Mandela but when it comes to someone who knows Nelson Nelson Mandela . Really really well that would have to be you Rick -- because when it comes to journalists. You probably is and I went overclocking is I don't think I've spent more time with him and people in prison and no I don't mean that -- I mean in terms of a working journalist who was had a relationship with them. The book long walk to freedom is as big as any book I've seen and that and Rick was Rick Rick. Collaborated with in the deep by Nelson Mandela on that -- of the two of you really have a personal relationships much of the east. -- father to your children.

makes a difference he's a series of contradictions because. We all know Nelson Mandela who was imprisoned for many many years and Winnie Mandela who was sort of carrying the torch and really kept his name

lot of problems with the law I'll say. But we're talking about Nelson Mandela and I was so impressed because I know this. To be true just watching him. That He has such a calming presence