"It's a toxic desire to try to be perfect," she says. "I realized later in life that the challenge is not to be perfect. It's to be whole."
For Jane, the entire third act of life is about "becoming whole." This sparks an aha! moment for Oprah.
"Wouldn't it be amazing if everybody ... was able to make the shift to not have your life be about being successful or getting ahead?" Oprah says. "What if our entire culture rested on, 'How do I become more whole?'"
"It would be a completely different world," Jane says. "You can't be trying to be perfect and be whole. You have to know what's wrong and say: 'It's okay. It's all right.'"