James says being able to write without having to live up to anything other than what he wanted for himself was like being given the true gift of freedom, an idea that Oprah says she completely understands.

Oprah: That makes all the sense in the world to me because I think that all of us are on a path to really figure out what is the truth of who we are and to find out a way to honor that. I think otherwise your life is a lie, no matter who you are or what you are doing. And so to be freed, to be true to who you are, that was the gift.

James: That was the gift. Thank you.

Oprah: That was the gift.

James: Sorry it was such a rocky ride.

Oprah: But that was the gift.

James: Yes. Earlier, you asked if I could go back and change things, would I? I don't know if I would, because my life would probably be different. I know I made bad mistakes. I know I was wrong. But that's what you've got to do sometimes to learn how to be right. And you gave me a great gift the first time you had me on the show. In a way, you did the second time, too, even though it hurt.

Oprah: Yes.

James: Thank you for having me back.


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