At one point, Iyanla says Oprah asked her, "Do you want to do your show now or do you want to stay [at Harpo] and grow?" Iyanla told Oprah she wanted to stay and grow, but then she had a change of heart.

"Here's what I bumped into: I was afraid. I was afraid to stand on my own," Iyanla says. "[I wanted to] go back and say to you, 'I don't want to wait. Let's do it now.' That was my intention."

But that was not what Oprah says she heard. "What I heard you say that resonated with me so strongly was, 'anointed time, not the appointed time; I am ready.' We said, Dianne Hudson and I, 'But we're not ready,'" Oprah says. "What I thought you were saying to me is that, 'This isn't about you deciding the time because God has told me that the time is now.'"

"Oh, my Lord. Just scratch my eye out with a plastic fork," Iyanla says. "I would not say that to you, Oprah Winfrey."


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