Dr. Oz: I've always been curious about these events. I've had several in my own practice. I talked about one patient already tonight. I think that the brain is made up obviously of parts that can actually create very clear senses. So eyesight. Touch. We hear. We taste. But the places in the brain that connect those different parts are often not given enough blood when we have near-death experiences. And so what ends up happening is they become disconnected. So we see ourselves floating. We hear things. We can't connect the hearing to the seeing. All of these things become discombobulated in our minds. And I think that's one of the reasons we have these out-of-body experiences. Of course, the other possibility is that God's preparing you for the end.

Oprah: Mm-hmm.

Dr. Oz: And there's such a constancy to the recollections. Yours is a scarier one than the ones I normally hear.

Virginia: Yeah.

Dr. Oz: Most people—

Oprah: Have a beautiful—

Virginia: Talk about a light.

Dr. Oz: It's blissful.

Virginia: They talk about light.

Dr. Oz: Exactly. They're challenged to come back. They came back as a favor to us, because if it was up to them, they would have kept going. This is one of the reasons we've done so much work looking at the role of prayer and spirituality and healing, and it's so challenging to do because if you ask people, 90 percent of them tell you they think they're being prayed for. They already think they're getting it. And there's an energy out there. I'm convinced of it. How we tap into that energy is where the challenge lies. Is it in fact some nonlocal force out there that colors—touches us and colors us and influences us that we just can't see yet that some of us are visionary enough to tap into in like a lightning rod and pull it down to us. Or is it some energy that we can very purposely manipulate. Or is it a divine force that, you know, we shouldn't really be getting involved in. When I have patients who ask me if they should be prayed for, I always warn them. I said, "Be careful what you're getting prayed for. You should not pray to survive the surgery. You should pray so thy will be done. You should pray for what's best." Because it gets challenging for us to understand this process more. But when you move out of medical school and the books that give you the answers to the biochemistry and you deal with patients who have read very different books than you read.

Oprah: Yeah. Larry Dossey's done many studies on how prayer really has a major effect on people in—in the medical field.

Dr. Oz: Yeah. Larry is one of the people who influenced me the most because I would read his books when I was just starting my practice. But that stated, we're still struggling to find out at what level it plays a role in our bodies and that probably is the single biggest opportunity of all for the future of medicine.

Oprah: The bottom line is what Dr. Oz was saying earlier, Virginia. They don't know all the answers. And so I'm sure just as your doctors couldn't explain what that experience was for you, you know, nobody knows all the answers and it's really left for you to sort of live with that over the years.

Dr. Oz: Yeah.

Oprah: To figure out what that experience meant to you.

Dr. Oz: But I don't think it was an accident.

Oprah: No accidents. No accidents. Thanks for sharing. Thanks for sharing that with us. Really. Really appreciate it. So this is our year.

Dr. Oz: This is our year.

Oprah: Yeah.

Dr. Oz: You know I've got to say, so many folks have been concerned about the economy and talking about the bad news that day after day after day comes in. As a healer, there's been a big, big silver lining around all this because people when their expectations get messed up and life's not so simple and straight forward, they've got to think deeper. They've got to deal with the realer problems of life.

Oprah: That's why I think it's in our face because we were headed off-course as a nation.

Dr. Oz: It is.

Oprah: As a nation. And the world, really. There's Runa in Iceland feeling the same thing. Yeah.

Dr. Oz: You've always said sometimes you have to be slapped upside your head.

Oprah: That's right. This was the brick for us.

Dr. Oz: It was. And I think I'm seeing over and over again people reshaping their lives. You know, you don't have the money for babysitters, so you spend time with the kids. You can't take that big trip, so you stay together in the house.

Oprah: Yeah.

Dr. Oz: Our expectations change, but not for the worst. They're just different. And I think it's a wonderful growing opportunity for a lot of us to focus on what really makes a difference in our lives.

Oprah: Well, thank you all for joining us tonight. Thanks so much. Whatever time zone you are in, my goodness, Shanghai and Turkey and Iceland and Franklin, Tennessee.

Dr. Oz: Australia.

Oprah: Australia. Paying attention to your health as we all know, as I have learned the hard way, is just one of the ways to start living your best life. We'll be back again tomorrow night, 9 p.m. Eastern/8 p.m. Central. If you're asking yourself, "Is this all there is to life?" Some of what Virginia was just talking about. Or if you just want more in your day, I have an entire panel of experts. We're talking about finding your spiritual path. Finding your spiritual path. Go to to find out how you can watch. It's been delightful talking to you. Yes. Yes.

Dr. Oz: Enchanté.

Oprah: Yes. Enchanté. If you want to experience this class again or tell a friend who missed it, our webcast will be available tomorrow for free here at Also, you can download the podcast tomorrow at and iTunes. If you're an Oprah Radio subscriber, the conversation continues with Dr. Oz on XM 156 and Sirius 195, so keep your calls coming. 866-OPRAH-XM. 866-677-2496. And all of our Best Life Week webcasts will re-air on Oprah Radio this Sunday morning. But I will not be on the radiocast with you. I'm going to go to sleep. I'm trying to decide, should I take melatonin or not?

Dr. Oz: Yes. Melatonin works when you have jet leg causes for insomnia.

Oprah: It does.

Dr. Oz: Because remember your brain is saying the sun should be going down.

Oprah: That's right.

Dr. Oz: Or for you, actually coming up.

Oprah: Coming up.

Dr. Oz: So now it's got to go down, so take the melatonin, trick the brain tonight. After a couple days you won't need it.

Oprah: Okay, thank you. Good night, everybody.

Dr. Oz: See you on the radio.

Oprah: See you—hear you on the radio.

Dr. Oz: Exactly.

Oprah: Hear you on the radio. Okay, I'm going to do the melatonin.


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