really big topic really important. And it's you know the issue with suicide . And I talk to you earlier at the beginning of the show just talking about. Suicide . They how pervasive it is on its a shame based people high aid that their feeling suicidal they hide if they have a family member or. A friend -- is committed suicide . I actually my guess we'll talk about even the freeze committed suicide she challenges that and I love her challenge that we actually start using different language. For people who have been victims of suicide . One of the issues about suicide is that it's connected with depression and you know whether you know someone you're hearing me right now on your thinking how doctor Robbins talking about me either I'm struggling with -- I just talked to my best friend and she was talking -- just wanting to give up that she feels overwhelmed. On the issue of suicide and depression are so intimately. Connected. There you can't separate the two. And my guest today is Michelle race Smith were not

similar is I haven't had someone in my family. I'm dying from suicide . But I certainly know what to spare his -- not only in my family but my own despair meantime is -- --

you but some of your journey I mean your father. Died from suicide and I said this issue of committed suicide tell me what frees you use for tiny. Use the phrase my father died by suicide because there is this. Earth it's stigmata goes a long -- -- committing. Suicide committing. It it brings on feelings of committing crimes are doing something awful are doing hosting hair ball and it's a disease gas. And depression is a disease and so. In death is the worst case scenario of this disease yes exactly suicide so I. Like to name my father died by suicide yeah and that's my first step and hopefully changing the way that people it's great -- assignment and. It's great no I