Like Susan, he witnessed several physical surgeries while he was there—an experience he says changed the way he thought about the world.
"Some people who I spoke with were able to remember the events going around them completely, and some people seem to enter a sort of altered state during these surgeries," he says. "When I was assisting in one of the surgeries, [John of God] cut this woman's cornea. She didn't flinch. She didn't try to pull away from him. I can't explain that. I heard some people use the term 'spiritual anesthesia.' I have no way to understand that."