Bill: Martin Luther King was a traditionalist, a t-warrior. But he was liberal.
Audience Member: But at that time he wasn't.
Bill: One of the points in this book [Culture Warrior] is you can be liberal and be a traditionalist. There aren't too many conservatives who are S-Ps [secular-progressives] although there are some radical, you know, militia types who are just out of their mind. Martin Luther King, JFK, RFK [were traditionalists].
Audience Member: But in their day, sir, they were considered radical. They were considered revisionists.
Bill: They were considered radical by people who weren't looking out for the folks.