Oprah: That makes all the sense in the world to me because I think that all of us are on a path to really figure out what is the truth of who we are and to find out a way to honor that. I think otherwise your life is a lie, no matter who you are or what you are doing. And so to be freed, to be true to who you are, that was the gift.
James: That was the gift. Thank you.
Oprah: That was the gift.
James: Sorry it was such a rocky ride.
Oprah: But that was the gift.
James: Yes. Earlier, you asked if I could go back and change things, would I? I don't know if I would, because my life would probably be different. I know I made bad mistakes. I know I was wrong. But that's what you've got to do sometimes to learn how to be right. And you gave me a great gift the first time you had me on the show. In a way, you did the second time, too, even though it hurt.
James: Thank you for having me back.