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Like Shirley, Oprah also has great interest in spirituality and points out that their discussion of spirituality is not a discussion about religion. "My definition of spirituality is really having an open heart, being able to openly receive the possibility of all that is," Oprah says. "With all the talk now about openheartedness ... and being exposed to other cultures, do you feel this is an affirmation of what you've been saying?"
"Yes, because we have all been so many people," Shirley says. "We've had so many lifetimes of different cultures and different religions and different points of view and different wars and different loves and different children."
"Then why—if we've been all those people—do you feel that it's so difficult for other people to open up and accept other people of the world?" Oprah asks.
"Because we don't have a spiritual education in our schools," Shirley says. "Not a religious education. Spiritual education. If they would teach us from the time we're little to meditate and get in touch with all that our souls know, we wouldn't fight so much."
Watch Shirley talk about meditation on her Oprah Show appearance in 1986