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Today, Amanda and Kim have more of an understanding, thanks in part to a conversation they had with Oprah's chief of staff, Libby Moore. "I asked Libby to speak to Kim and Amanda because I wanted you, especially, to see that Libby was a happy and successful gay woman," Oprah says to Kim. "Two hours later, I look in Libby's office, and you all are still in there."
Watch how Libby was able to create a bridge of understanding.
"I related to what Amanda was saying because you reminded me so much of myself when I was your age," Libby says. "And you reminded me so much, Kim, of my mother. I knew my whole life that I was gay. I came out when I was 27. At that point, I weighed 205 pounds. I was drinking a lot, eating a lot, because I couldn't come to terms with my truth, which is that I was gay and I'd known my whole life."
Libby acted almost as a translator between mother and daughter, Amanda says. "I didn't understand a word she was saying,” Amanda says of her mother. “We were speaking the same language, of course, but it didn't come across to me as something I could internalize and understand until I heard it from a woman who could relate to my mom on this particular level who was also gay. I was like, clearly [Libby] doesn't have any ulterior motives here. She's a lesbian too, she's on my team."
"It just put things into perspective," Kim says. "I don't want Amanda to be anybody other than who she is. I'm so proud of her and I love her so much and I wouldn't change a thing about her. It just took me a little time."