Debbie says that was a painful time for her. "It's very hard when your child doesn't want to talk to you but you want to talk to them," she says. "That was the most difficult time of all."
Carrie says she was angry. "You're individuating yourself. This is a very powerful person and in order to have my own identity, I have to sort of forge some kind of character out of nothing," she says. "I wanted my own life and her life was crazy at that time and I was in it."
Still, Carrie says she had empathy for her mother. Carrie says Debbie often confided in her daughter about her marital problems. "I did know what was going on in there. And it was chaos. And it was hard for all of us," Carrie says. "I wanted to protect her. I felt horrible for her and I hated Harry Karl."