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Oprah: I believe that. I also believe it's not going to happen in our lifetime.

Tina: The seed is planted. People are feeling it. We're becoming more aware. There's a whole new way of thinking about age, too. People are not that worried about being old anymore.

Oprah: Is it that people don't care, or is it that we just don't care?

Tina: There are some who think that when you're 60, you have to cut your hair and wear certain shoes. But a lot of people aren't doing that now. They don't think, "Oh, I'm old, I really have to start behaving differently." In this millennium, a new world is coming. After destruction, there's always something good.

Oprah: A rebirth.

Tina: Yes. It's that feeling you have when you're sick. You suddenly know how good you feel when you're well. People are open to new things now.

Oprah: I hope you're right. What do you want to accomplish with your life?

Tina: I believe I'm going to learn something about how to help people think. We are not thinking correctly. I want to tell people how to live spiritually. After you've bought all your houses and your clothes, you want something bigger. I want my gift to become a gift for others. We're caught in a stagnant belief system passed on to us from our parents and what's been given from the churches. I believe there's another truth. Dancing and singing is all good, but the ultimate gift is to change people's minds. What else is there?

Oprah: There isn't anything else. When people hear your story, they are changed.

Tina: And yet I've never seen myself as a star. That's why traveling to America this time has been incredible. These people are acting like I'm...

Oprah: Tina Turner.

Tina: But I always felt that my show was second-class, because I'm not a star like Barbra Streisand or Maria Callas. I'm just dancing and singing.

Oprah: You don't see yourself as a star?

Tina: Stars can be bitchy and full of themselves. I've never had that attitude. I feel like my dress is great, I can sing, and I'm here to put on a good show for the people.

Oprah: But don't you see yourself as a legend? Not even during your last three sold-out world tours?

Tina: I finally accepted that, and it is incredible. I never had as many records as Whitney Houston or Aretha Franklin. But after years and years of work, people finally came to see me in my 60s. I said, "Why are these people still coming? What is it? I dance and I sing and I make the people feel good. So what?"

Oprah: You don't just dance and sing. You represent possibility. When people see you performing, they know you've come up from the ashes, from the depths of despair. It means that however down a woman is, she can be like you.

Tina: Thank you for saying that.

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