Oprah: Can you taste your success?

Tracey: I can taste it.

Jon: For her, it actually tastes like an online catalog. I just don't think it's in my nature to savor things. But I no longer live with a gnarly void, like an angry troll under a bridge.

Oprah: Isn't that what defines a real man?

Jon: That seems genderless to me.

Oprah: It's also what makes a real woman.

Jon: Yes. What I'm proudest of is moving to New York.

Oprah: You left the puppets.

Jon: Yes—and I surprised the crap out of everyone. I might have become a bitter guy at the end of the bar, complaining about how I could've been somebody. But I sold my car and moved up to New York with no job because I wanted something different. I yearned, and I went for it.

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