"God bless you for working with insurance. We need insurance. Car insurance? I have it. Homeowners' insurance? I have it. My house burns down, I hope you're there," he says. "But when it comes to human beings and their health, this is what I don't understand...where do you think that profit should play a role in this? Why should anybody profit from somebody who's sick? It doesn't seem moral."
Karen says every doctor's office, hospital and healthcare system around the world has to make a profit. "If you're in the red versus the black, in Canada and in other countries, as you know, when they run out of resources, they stop delivering care," she says. "We don't want that kind of system here."
A public healthcare system may not live up to the Utopian vision Michael is painting, Karen says. In fact, she says taxes would increase significantly.
"Actually, we pay more [now]," Michael says. "We just don't call it taxes."
Americans pay more money for health insurance because we get more, Karen says. "We have better cancer outcomes in the United States," she says. "We're getting access to the latest and the best much more effectively."