FL: What advice would you give to someone who's clean but struggling to stay sober?
WB: The advice I'd give to that sort of a person would be: It doesn't have to be a struggle. What they need to do is get around some people and have contact with some people who already have been across the field of land mines and got to the other side of it. The problem with people who are struggling to stay sober is they magnet to other strugglers. "Yeah, my friend is 60 days sober and having a hell of a time and I'm having a hell of a time." So they commiserate and have all the misery happening. And what it is is you need to have contact with someone who knows where the land mines are and how to step through the field. That's what needs to happen for someone who's struggling: "I struggled too. I'm not struggling anymore. And here's how I got here."
FL: And what about for someone who's got a son or daughter, or best friend, or wife, or father who they know is struggling—what can they do?
WB: If they can't get to that person and open that up themselves—if that relationship or the family dynamic doesn't work in a fashion that they're able to deal with that person—then they need to call a professional to get instruction on at least how to try that. They should not try to do that by themselves if they don't know what they're doing, because they can drive the whole situation in the opposite direction. I've seen that happen a lot of times.
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