We all die, even Jesus died. He resurrected, and we may too. But we leave the ashes to ashes, luckily for us.

Who would want to schlepp the old carcass around forever?

St Germaine was a charlatan who only fooled the people around him by various means. Physical immortality is not possible - and most of those people you listed - were ordinary people who lived and died. Our own lifespan is a shortened one due to a gene defect that was introduced into us. However it is predicted, that scientists will one day correct this, such that our lifespans can be set back to their 'normal' length --- which is much, much longer than our present one.

This is mentioned in the Billy Meier / Plejaren material - and there is lots lots more information concerning these and other matters.

All of which makes more sense, than what you have written here...

Life and death are natural states - and death is not the feared state, it is made out to be. That when it is your time to leave, your own spirit will feel a sense of relief - and so-called death is more like an old friend, a state you have transistioned through many many times before.

Harvey

Hi Harvey,

Thanks for your input. Yes our bodies are miraculous and intelligent and can go on and on. Dr Bruce Lipton has been doing some interesting work in an area called Epigenetics. His work with stem cells suggests that the genes express themselves secondary to their enviroment - he has written 'The biology of belief'.

I was a medical doctor then moved into alternative medicine - i've been researching the possiblity of physical immortality for 17 years from the spiritual, quantum physics , alternative medicine and medical science perspectives.

With physical immortality peace between matter and spirit, yin and yang occurs- a co-operative joyful dance becomes the present moment reality. Our spiritual nature is connected to unlimitedness and no longer needs to 'escape', that was the way of the physical death path.

IImmortals live and die in each moment - they become very friendly with 'death' in that sense. The following explains this -

Physical immortality philosophy is both a playfully serious and a
seriously playful business. It resonates with contrasts. Some beautiful, some that would be judged by some as not so beautiful.
The contrasts begin to vibrate together harmoniously. To understand this one realises that inherent in life is death. One cannot have creation without also having destruction. The old is modified by the new. Physical immortal wisdom allows one to embrace the beginning, the ending and everything inbetween. Embracing the flow of life - realising that we are constantly re -identifying ourselves, changing. When we resist change, our body becomes sluggish, inflexible which leads to pain and disease. My feeling is that it's our inability to embrace death in the form of change that ultimately causes the body to so shutdown that the " big death " becomes the only way left for freedom of the spirit.

Once we realize that the "big death' is not inevitable -
that it is indeed a choice - then embracing the "little
deaths" allows life to flow more easily and the health of
our body is maintained. The love affair between body and
spirit begins. Physical immortality is a NOW concept. Live
it now. Relax into eternity This earth is a playground -
what game do you want to play?

blessings Janni

I prefer to use simple and plain language with no false promises.

I don't see humans being anything special at all - as all life is governed by the same force, etc.

I don't see any sense in talking about eternal life to physical beings. There is no method available to us now, that would make eternal beings of things physical - we are already pre-programmed to age and die, as per normal - our life style will of course play it's part, which will make only decades difference. No amount of mumbo jumbo talking is going to change this. There is no example to say otherwise.

Harvey

We don't have to choose life. We are life already.

To live has it's price; death....

No amount of diets and positive thinking will stop it. To believe that, is to fool yourself. And what would we gain from doing that?

There would be a positive aspect in extending life spans. You do have a level of maturity when you reach 50 or so years in which you can reap the benefit of having lived so long, with your collection of life experiences and observations, etc --- which you cannot get at a younger age. Of course population control needs to be present because it is simply 'mad' at the moment the way it is now.

Being a physical being - you do go through the death process - and so, any promise of eternal life - is a false myth, the same for everlasting life with any religion - you do not go to 'heaven' through any belief in any religion - this is of course a false promise, which can never be 'real' at all. Which does reveal that religion is false. Why should belief in any religion - give you a guaranteed ticket to heaven?

Harvey

No we do not have a choice about life - it was given at the moment of creation, and is irrevocable.Do we have a choice about death? The death of a physical body which was never real? Why focus so much energy on the unreal? Sure you can transform your physical body back into a light body. Baba-ji did it. Others have ascended to heaven in a chariot - Enoch and Elijah of the Bible and Tukaram of 15th century India.

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My focus is on ending the suffering on the planet and for that we need the death of ego. Once ego is vanquished, so is death for all humanity. Ego is the underlying cause of death. Death has nothing to do with Gid or God's will. Actually the statement death is making is - God is dead. If eath is real than God is NOT. And death is not real because God is eternal and so are you. Great topic - thanx

Thanks everyoe for the interesting dialogue.

The philosophy of Physical Immortality is one of living from an open, loving heart; being focused in the now, creating much joy, abundance and freedom. Throughout spiritual literature advanced Immortals are reported to be able to dematerialise and rematerialise their bodies at will, teleport from place to place and manifest whatever material requirement they have from "thin air". They have perfected Liberty and can move from dimension to dimension taking their physical body with them. With quantum physics and string theory many of these possibilities are being given scientific mechanisms through which they may occur. The gulf beween science and spirituality is being bridged.

blessings Janni

Yes, Janni, they're always reported to do these amazing things. But they're never actually seen, by you and me...

Don't trust any report that comes to your attention!

Much love and a bit of common sense, M.

Thanks. Have you wondered why Babaji and others choose to be' deathless"? Perhaps our belief in the inevitability of physical death entraps us in pain and suffering? My feeling is that physical immortality philosophy lifts us into a state of grace. We are co-creators with the divine - perhaps we've decided that the game of 'limitation, separation and disempowerment' is on it's way out? Inner peace between matter and spirit , yin and yang is reflected in the outer reality - peace on earth.

The following is my vision and an interesting exercise you may like to do -

Close your eyes and see yourself vibrantly healthy and Physically Immortal. At least 60% of the people in your community are also Physically Immortal. What does it feel like? What changes do you sense within the community?

When we do this exercise in my seminars, people report feeling a deep peace and joy. They are free from fear and tension, they can relax completely.

The peace envisioned is not dull, boring peace but dynamic peace - full of excitement, creativity and fun!

What I see for the individual is a move away from struggle into flow and ease. Connecting fully with their own truth, direction and creativity.
Allowing themselves to be fully in their joy and

supporting others to do the same. Loving themselves and others unconditionally - ongoing health requires all of this to occur.

What do I envision for the community? More time to play - be creative, play sport, sing, dance, be entertained. This trend has already begun in Western Countries over the last 40 years. Our work would become our play. The ripples from this shift in mass consciousness would be widespread.

I'd be interested in others visions.

blessings Janni

This is interesting as i feel that it's our 'common sense' that is shifting ie the mass conscious belief. Science is doing things like teleporting photons - that was at the Australian National university about 7 yrs ago from memory. At the quantum level our bodies are energy. All sorts of miraculous potentials are possible.

many blessings Janni

The story of Baba-ji is that he was sold into slavery at the tender age of 2. He ran away at age 5 and took refuge in a temple. Some yogis noticed him and saw he had the capacity to transform his body into a light body for two good reasons, 1) he had no parents holding him back, 2) he was young enough that he was malleable. So they took him under their wing. I guess you could say he was in the right place at the right time. Some believe he appeared to Jesus and instructed him.

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My path has led me to see ego as the underlying cause of sickness, suffering and death, as I mentioned before. Death is a symptom of alliance with ego. In Baba-ji's case he performed rigorous austerities in order to attain, requiring way way way more focus than we in our western society, with our worldly comforts have the discipline or determination to undergo. This severe penance does purge one of ego, but the hard way. But there is a shortcut - relinquish ego simply looking at it. When you look you see ego's nothingness. But of course ego is a slippery fish, so will do everything in its power to keep you from seeing it truly as impotent, the emperor with no cloths on.

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once you are free of ego, you are enlightened. As soon as you are enlightened, you wear your physical body like a garment. You are here in the service of the whole and when your purpose for being here you lay your body gently down. Death is not real. Only the body dies. Nothing real can die. you are not your body. You are existence-consciousness-bliss, focus on that. You are God, focus on that. You are Mind and Spirit. Enlightenment is the reunion of mind and spirit as on, or the return of limited mind to limitless mind which then remerges with spirit. That is my vision.

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Have you heard of Harikan Baba? He was created by Baba-ji. One this gorgeous youth appeared out of nowhere claiming to be Baba-ji. People started following him. He had powers... But soon he took to smoking and having women, and he lost his powers and the about 10 years after he appeared he had a car accident and died. Why? Because Baba-ji had created this being in his image but with freewill. Because baba-ji had come to his immortality the hard way, he did not understand the ego. all he did was eliminate his own due to the power of his will, but that is not transferable. Only when you see ego by looking at it head- on will you understand this force that you are dealing with in this world of form. He would not have sent his son so ill-equipped to deal with the seductions and temptations of this reality. As soon as he saw that his son was harming himself and others he ended the experiment whose intent was to inspire others to their immortality.

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Have you heard of the Anasazis? They were a tribe of Native Americans who lived in harmony with Great Spirit in the 1200's. There was a famine in the land and they all disappeared en masse. It is theorized by some that they all ascended together. The point is it was not their focus. They were focused on living in harmony with Great Spirit. There are plenty of ascension groups that tend to fixate on ascension to the exclusion of living life in alignment with God's purpose for them. I realize you are not suggesting ascending. But you are focusing on the symptoms, my focus is on eliminating the problem. Eliminate ego and you simultaneously wipe out sickness, suffering and death, I hope. Than is the vision I hold for all humanity. And just a handful of us need relinquish ego for all of us to be restored to our natural deathless state. Thanx for asking.

I like a lot of what you have said here. I do not however see the 'little self' as the 'bad guy'- there can be parts of the 'little self' ie ego self that can be rigid and disconnected from the whole. These parts of self i like to bring to what i call ' the round table of the heart' to connect with the whole so consensus decision can be made. I feel the ' whole little self' is a co-creator with the divine - helps write the cosmic script. My feeling is the mass consciousness and the dvine is starting to write a different script!

It's very interesting that the medical science people - very astute, mystically connected scientists are rapidly tuning into physical immortality - whether they call it that or healthy radical life extension. Ray Kursweil has predicted physical immortality via medical science being available in 15 years. The head of the genome project has said it's not if physical immortaity is coming but WHEN.

The following quote is one of my favorites -

The Japanese Shinto prophet Munetada has these teachings about Physical Immortality - "When the heart of the Divine and the heart of man are One, this is Eternal Life, then there is no such thing as death. If you foster a spirit that regards both good and evil as blessings, then the body spontaneously becomes healthy. In Truth the Way is easy. He who spends his day in thankfulness grows neither old nor weary. He knows only Joy and Happiness. Oh the Joy of those who take the teaching of the Way of the Gods; for them there is neither youth nor age. If the heart is open, then there is no such thing as pain. Thus one will find only happiness and thankfulness in all things".

blessings Janni

We were created by God to be and have everything. We were created to know, to love and to create. We made ego to replace God. In replacing God, we traded in everything for nothing, peace love and joy for sickness, suffering and death...So when we trade in ego we are restored to our original pre-ego state. Is ego bad? Ego is not real. If I called ego bad, I would make it real. However sickness suffering and death, symptoms of ego alliance, though also unreal feel pretty real to us. So, in order to be restored to reality, we need to give up the only thing that stands between us and our TRUE self. Sounds easy, and it is, except that ego's will to live is ENORMOUS, so it tricks us into believing it has redeeming qualities. It has none. We do not need ego. God did not create ego. Ego is the problem. Its nothingness is our expedient solution. But we fear letting go of ego, because we think we will lose our identity. We will lose nothing except a false identity (our little self).

Hello live forever, These threads just keep getting more and more interesting. There is a new movie out about a man who goes from age eighty into youth. Brad Pitt is the actor. I think the movie is called "the Strange Case of Benjamin Button"

I read an article about 20 years ago in Psychology Today about this very subject. It was a scientific article, whereby some scientists said that there is no reason that humans should die. The body regenerates constantly. And that was the whole theme of the article. They also said that some of the reasons you talked about, i.e. our past issues and past life issues that need to be unblocked, was one. I have done that to an extreme and as far as forgiveness goes that has happened for myself and toward others. I feel that there is nothing to forgive. Focusing on the body and actually feeling that inner vibration, aliveness, is another big thing for me. And breathing. I have been doing this things for longer then twenty years and most people cannot believe my age. They always guess me as twenty years younger. Unless I am very tired, LOL. I completely get what you are saying. I think that finding a way to balance our total body and mind and spirit, is key and paramount.

Namaste,

Patee