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How do I go to private to chat? I can't remember.

Thanks.

Unbelieveable...Another self proclaimed guru. Renaissance Unity Interfaith Spiritual Fellowship was going to fire her but she pre-emped to step down with the possibility that she's going to get fired.

I remember reading the first book, A Return to Love Reflections on the Principles of "A Course in Miracles." The entire book, in my opinion, is nothing but prosyletizing

The Course was originally written, or more accurately, channeled, by an occultic atheist, using a spirit guide that called itself Jesus. the Course mixes into the stew the rudiments of Jungian psychology, Hinduism, Buddhism, and pantheism. Some might think that overtly evil documents like The Satanic Bible are the principal threats to our spiritual health, but the devil's most fruitful work is done by subverting, rather than replacing, God's Word.


In "A Return to Love" she stated there was no such thing as sin, therefore there is no need for salvation. So rape, murder and child porn are okay and not deliberate acts of evil? Marianne is seriously misleading people and christians should beware.

People would rather read Marianne's mindless double talk and dismiss the Bible.


Oprah seems to be hell bent on spreading garbage.

"This woman who had written so eloquently that suffering really did not exist spent the last two years of her life in the blackest psychotic depression I have ever witnessed.", these words were spoken at helen schucmans funeral (the author of A Course in Miracles). Remember this woman had this information "channeled" to her and she identified the voice as none other then Jesus. Shame on Marianne Williamson and Oprah for latching onto this nonsense as if it were real.

Also the co-author William Thetford worked for MKULTRA during the writing of this book. (MKULTRA was an inhumane CIA mind control experiment, look it up on the net) This program was involved with secretly giving LSD to unsuspecting people and watching the resulting hallucinations. Some people died from these inhuman experiments. Was Helen Schucman a target of such a plot and did her claim to be talking to Jesus, an LSD hallucination?

It's the oldest trick in the book, literally: the devil's greatest deception is to get you believe he does not exist at all. Fear of the Lord loses meaning completely when fear itself is the new evil. Fear is now equated with ignorance, as this book has certainly had its hand in promoting the general consensus nowadays that the concept of "the devil" are outdated superstitions based on ignorance. The bible says there will be many false prophets who will mislead even the chosen away from the truth.

The Bible teaches that God is personal, like you, His creation and can be known only through the acceptance of his Son Jesus Christ. Jesus said "I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to Father except through me. If you really knew me, you would know my Father as well." (John 14:6-7). A Course in Miracles makes human beings creators (the sin of idolatry)and makes God impersonal and unknowable except through abstraction, a completely demonic doctrine meant to destroy the natural min, We are not identical robots with joined minds (only God knows everything in someone else's mind) and God is not a cosmic computer

This book and all its derivatives like A Return to Love by Marianne Williamson are an abomination. I wish I had never heard of them and in good conscience have to speak out against them and all New Age work in hopes someone might run away from them and not get hurt like I once was .

I will no longer watch any of Oprah's shows because she is the medium in endorsing such books as A Return to Love, the Secret, and lastly, A New Earth. I no longer trust her judgement and will stand up for what I believe by not switching the channel to ABC at 4 pm EST. I will visit the website and share my own experience with these types of books in order that I may help just one person be fooled by this gobble de goop.

Owwwwchhh!

I wonder being so well read, intelligent and spiritual if you have read Oprah's new book club selection? - "A New Earth"by Eckhart Tolle.

I you have read it - perhaps you need to look at your reasons for writing about someone else's life and their perceived actions and choices and complaining and making judgements on them?

And then look at your life and why her perceived actions resonated so strongly with you.

It's about you this post - not Ms. Williamson I believe?

If you have not read Oprah's newest selection then I submit and suggest that a bright person such as yourself will enjoy reading it. And get a lot from it!

I would also recommend that you check out pages 17 - 23 and 61 - 74. It was an eye opener for me - and made me think strongly about being spritual and why its easier to complain about others.

That why I thought I would contact you by sending this reply....I want you to hopefully see what you are doing and why by posting such a respnse to Ms. Williamson or anyone on this board/forum is in fact showcasing your ownn beliefs about your' 'true' self.

We are all just people doing our best here on these boards and ta Oprah's porduction headquarters. ....Living Our Best Life!

After reading these pages I have mentioned then re-read your post regarding Ms. Williamson. I believe you will see your post in a whole new light! A new awaking to your outlook on Ms. Williamson and more importantly yourself....
Please know that. It's not about being right and someone else being wrong - it's about being accepting of yourself and others.

Hope this helps.... Cheers! Dianne.

Humm! I hesitate to say anything on these strings. I am just noticing how interesting it is (to me) to read people who want so badly to have the true answers. On the surface it sounds to me like you were accusing Marianne of claiming to have answers, and you caution that they are not the right answers; in fact you believe that her answers are dangerous. Then you go onto showing us that you know, or at least have access to the right answers. I do hear you when you say that Jesus Christ and the guidance of the Bible are where you rest your spiritual safety... where you take your guidance from.

But, when there is no one to challenge so passionately... when you are alone, I doubt you really feel so assured, or you might not feel so outraged by (other) people's natural, humanistic struggle to believe in something greater than themselves... and who might not have a connection to the Bible. In the past I would have become upset by your voice on this subject.
But, you seem, to me, to really be struggling with something very deep inside. I wouldn't begin to know that that is for you. We each have our fields to plough and we become tempered by the work.

I am musing that a deeper look at your perspective on idolatry is likely to include just about any interpretation of 'Relationship to God' that is not by way of Jesus. I'll just share with you a dah!- moment I had a while back. It had suddenly dawned on my feeble mind that even Jesus did not have Jesus Christ to follow. He was a Jew. After that my respect for his faith increased exponentially. He did not have the Bible either. He had his relationship to God as he knew it. But then I suspect that God is less stumped by irony than we tend to be.

I wonder if you are aware of a level of violence in your words?
You mentioned that you had been badly hurt. This shows in your reaction and in your words.

Blessings on our way friend.

Suhenna, Keep speaking the Truth! You are right on, girl!!! A fellow follower of Jesus Christ, Carolyn

Can't we discuss anything without bringing religion or God in the issue? what does it have to do with God? we, need to find it in ourselves to discover who we are..and honestly, no god or religion is going to do that!