Hi jeff,

I can see that people use God as an excuse to do things wrong, like blaming and not accept the responsibility of their actions.

I can't see any harm in people believing that God will bless, care or help them. It is true that he will help to protect our heart though, but then again, we have to allow that to happen in order for it to work. Nowhere in scripture does it say we can pray and do noting, quite to the contrary a person must work along with the prayer, this is faith.

Some of those things mentioned there jeff are putting Go to the "test", for instance, materialism. We can be rich, but it is a spiritual rich, all of the physical positives that come from that is a blessing.

One of the commands is to not test God in tht manner or use his name as valueless.

Peace

Jinda

Greetings Jinda

Thanks for your response. I agree the reality of what is being discussed here is indeed questioning the very concept of "God" humanity holds onto. And this is the very reason I posted this for all to read. So people have the opportunity to question and explore.

This is a small except from one of the sessions that took place at a workshop that was held this summer, in which The Wonders were exploring the "God Principle".

Thanks again for your reply.

choose freely.

love

Jeff

Hello jeff_ free,

God is not human, God is a reality. God is greater than all of us. It is wonderful to be wrapped up in the arms of Jesus. Jesus gives us life, protects us, I'am rich in Jesus , not money. Jesus never leaves us and hears all our prayers.

God has chosen us; we have not chosen Him! God has sent His Son Jesus as our Savior. God has given us all free will to choose Jesus or satan. If you believe in Jesus; whatever you ask God in the name of Jesus will be given to you.

You asked If I would need God to be able to give me things, that I could give to myself? Only God can give His only begotton Son Jesus as our Savior; to give us life eternal. Only God can give us His Son Jesus to forgive and change our life. We can do nothing without Jesus.There are two choices Jesus or satan. Jesus is life. satan is death. I choose Jesus, and I follow Him.

Blessings,

demory

A great sales pitch,...for the Wonders....

Why,.. using your own words...here :" Vote and choose for A god that is actually,it's principle is nothing more than a justification for you not choosing ,... ,.... quit blaming god and start choosing.-The Wonders

How Did the Wonderers come to be..............

They Created themselves , convincing others of their higher level of consciousness they belong to

But where did Consciousness itself come from? Who created Consciousness in the first place.?

Maybe because your believe system and conceptual ideas of what God is as you here describe:" really, the whole point of the god principle is nothing more than humankind / mankind creating a perspective of something that is greater than the self in order to justify their not choosing, then you realize what we're saying. Is making you believe that the Wonderers is the answer.

Before you knew about them you knew to choose ,you knew to choose your whole life,..unconsciously maybe ,but we all are constantly choosen ,we make dicisions what food we like to eat or disliked, which clothes we want to wear. where to go, who to spend time with,.. all CHOICES They the Wonderers, maybe made you aware that there are plenty more and greater varieties of choices one can make , then those constricted , limiting, engrained choices, taught by our society's dogmas and/or cultures, but they did not teach you to choose, that is but an innate mechanism within each and everysingle being. We beings have always chosen, for life,.. even animals do, they too have the fright and flight mechanism build in..and so choose for LIFE

So this God principle you speak of here, is maybe your adapted Wonderers ideas , but does not mean that it is what others and/or many here and on this Earth see GOD as....And maybe many here on this Earth .have grand understanding of that Principle.that was in the beginning even before the Wonderers ,..... With all due respect... but we should not take for granted that because we did not know or understand this ,that automatically others have not either. .

*The God principle you perceive differs ,with what many have experienced and discibed it as,I wish to share a thread of mine with you ,of what many through Earth's history and civilizations , experienced, which they recounted and was placed in the many holy scriptures,*as a Divine STATE of Conscious being....

http://www.oprah.com/community/thread/101335?tstart=0

And this CHOICE they made, came from their own deep Inner yearning for the ETERNAL TRUTH.

Light, love an dpece

Audrey

Thanks for all the great comments.

Audrey, thank you for the reply. These are the words of "The Wonders", not mine. It is a transcribed conversation between them and someone who attended that particular session.

I'm sharing this with you to explore and really just as an opportunity to see things from a different perspective.. If you want to know how 'The Wonders" came to be you'll have to find out for yourself.

Thanks for sharing your perspective.

Love

Jeff

Greetings demory

Interesting comments and ideas.

Many thanks

love

jeff

jeff_free,

God is so Good and loves us so much that He is always seeking us, even when we turn our backs on Him. It is His nature. If it was His nature to turn away from us, to un-choose us, we would be dead. But He is seeking us, and it is not your choice.

I did not choose this, so please dont regurgitate "good for you." God chose it. Say that God is Good. I cant take the credit.

May God have mercy.

puplov

In exploration:

Before
the primordial vibration that brought All into being, All
existed as unmanifest potential, nonbeing...as All that could be. It
was from this Source's primordial desire to move into being that All
became and awareness of every essence unfolded. This primordial
movement is the Source of All. In this primordial movement was
bequeath individual movement to every essence(freedom to know itself
and will to move freely according to its nature)...a
gift to every nature of energy! This is the reason for my gratitude
for the Source of Self that flowered into expression and awareness, as
every erg of energy within!. Giving all the the ability and choice to
unfold its essence where it finds its nature is serviceable and
desired, as a building block in creation, all expanding within the
creation. Free will to explore itself in creation and know itself
through its choice of movement and service...according to its nature.
This grand gift is "God" (Source)in movement, expressing as All and
from which all movement originates and is maintained through the
eternal movement of the primordial vibration. Although we move freely
according to our individual essence, we move within this primordial
vibration, without which we would cease to be. A source of gratitude
can be felt here, in me. Our individuated being aligns with "God's"
being (Source), within this primordial vibration. The aspect honoring
the whole (knowing its Source), as the whole honors each aspect
(knowing all natures of movement within). The way we experience "God"
is dependent on the perspective from which we move as a point of
awareness, we experience awareness of Source in relationship to that
perspective. These points of awareness flow as perception of Source
and our relationship to Source, yet we can move beyond these
perspectives in awareness as we align our individuated being with the
wholeness of our primordial Source.

Each
essence freely chooses points of service within the whole, according to
its nature for service, for its nature determines its potential for
service in any creation. It can only serve from the nature of its
being... for it cannot serve as anything other than what it is. Its
service provides for points of expansion and mutual benefit from the
movement of all .... the giving and receiving of eternal life.

(" So really god is nothing more than a justification for you not choosing." )

My
exploration leads me to feel that "God", as I feel Source of Self, is
really the reason that I am capable as individuated being, of choosing.
.......it is the flowering of Source into expressive natures that made
it all possible, as an reality to be experienced, on all levels of
Being. Thanks for the opportunity to explore with you here.

Morning Jeff,

Jeff wrote: What is the "God" principle?...

My belief on the "God" principle is this*:* God's laws do not change!...........All creation thunders forth this Truth!............This principle applies to spiritual as well as physical things!..........The Bible and nature both teach that God's plan and His laws do not change!..........

"The works of His hands are verity and justice; all His precepts are sure. They stand fast forever and ever, and are done in truth and uprightness." (Psalm 111:7-8).................

Qyite Storm

Greetings Cicard

Thanks for the opportunity to explore with you here.

Thank you my friend.

love,

jeff

A Sparkling Dot ,..

In the single pointed ocean

Of One Pointedness.

resonating., within the Ultimate Vibration.

experiencing Itself.

and so too experiencing

and knowing

It's SOURCE.

Moved by your post cricard.

Hey Qyitestorm

Thanks for the post, and thanks for sharing your perspective..

enjoy the day

Love

jeff

Hi jeff_free and odderry. I was just marveling at how we move from the
nature of self on the board. Jeff from the nature of freeing moving
through choice. Odderry moving in the flow of Divine breathe! Beautiful ways
of moving! But of course, it is the way I see and honor your movement... and
feel how it opens new awareness within me, just by flowing with you in your expressions. Serving each other aways! I am grateful for both of you!