How could Oprah eat a corndog (knowing what she knows)?

Posted on Nov 1, 2009 2:10 PM


I once heard Oprah reveal one of her favorite life lessons: "When you know better, you do better."

So how is it that Oprah - a woman who has been well educated about the immense suffering inflicted upon food animals, the devestation that animal agriculture has on our environment and the toll it takes on human health....how could this woman who "knows better" still not "do better"? How could she STILL be seen on TV promoting horrendously cruel and devestating meat products to her audience?

Given the impact those products have, consuming them is akin to beating a pig while running over a starving child in your Hummer!

Oprah - you say you care about animals. You say you care about human suffering and starvation. You say you care about global warming. It's time your diet reflected your values: go vegan. It's easy, it's tasty and it's the right thing to do.

Replies: 170
1. Re: How could Oprah eat a corndog (knowing what she knows)?
Nov 1, 2009 4:11 PM   |   In response to: chefwalnut


I love corn dogs, yum!

I won't ever go vegan, and I won't ever be a strict free range meat eater either.

I love animals, I have the sweetest dog and two kitties. I feed them pet food that is pure animal meat.

A cow was created for us to eat, chickens were created for us to eat. Man has been eating meat since we were living in caves. From the beginning of time men and women were eating meat and will continue to eat meat.

There will always be men and women eating meat. We can eat meat and still care for animals.

There is nothing wrong with Oprah eating meat.

2. Re: How could Oprah eat a corndog (knowing what she knows)?
Nov 1, 2009 5:31 PM   |   In response to: lifegetter


There is absolutely something wrong with Oprah - or anyone - eating meat. It is not your "right" to have animals maimed, confined and killed just because you might desire a particular taste. Your opinion that animals have been "created for us" is self-serving and delusional at best. No God would ever condone what we are doing to animals; or what our gluttonous greed for their flesh is doing to our environment, human health and world hunger. It's an absolute abomination.

Look into what happens to the male calves born on dairy farms. Just google it. Or what is done to the male chicks hatched at egg farms. Again - google: male chicks. See if you agree that that is "caring" for animals. Open your eyes. You cannot "eat meat and still care for animals." You are fooling yourself.

3. Re: How could Oprah eat a corndog (knowing what she knows)?
Nov 1, 2009 6:25 PM   |   In response to: chefwalnut


It is everyone's right to eat meat. There is nothing wrong with eating meat.

Cows are not pets, they are raised to be food. Pigs, are raised to be food. If humans won't eat them then there would be an over population of these animals and other animals humans kill to eat.

Humans are not the only beings on earth who eat other animals. Dogs, cats also eat meat. Snakes, spiders, bears, etc. all eat meat.

I care for animals, just not the ones that are raised for food.

I don't care what happens to male chicks.

You open your eyes. Just because you choose to be a vegan does not mean everyone has to be a vegan.

Everyone has a right to eat meat, including you. I know you choose to be a vegan, and I choose to be an omnivore.

I have raised my kids to love meat. They are young men who are meat and potatoes young men.

The animals I care about are the ones who live with me. I do care about other animals, even though I still eat them.

I rather eat meat, then let them become over populated and spread diseases among each other.

I rather eat them, then let them become so over populated that they invade farmer's crops and the farmer ending up shooting them for stealing their crops.

Organic and free range foods have been recalled more then foods (including animals raised to be food) raised on factory type farms.

I am not saying you are wrong to be a vegan. That is your choice. My choice is to be an omnivore.

Don't waste your time preaching to me about the way animals raised for food are raised and treated. I don't care about those animals because I am just going to eat them.

4. Re: How could Oprah eat a corndog (knowing what she knows)?
Nov 1, 2009 7:27 PM   |   In response to: lifegetter


It's not a dietary "choice" .... it's a moral imperative. If you're looking for choice, you can "choose" to be part of the problem, or part of the solution. If you care about the environment, human health, world starvation, and animal cruelty....you will embrace a plant-based diet. Period.

You have made your views quite clear. You care only for your own selfish desires and frankly, your apathy about how animals are treated is alarming. Today, looking back at history, people often say, "Oh -- how could the Holocaust have happened?" or "How could we have ever tolerated slavery?"and so on....well, one needs only read your replies to see how truly cold-hearted, blind and selfish people can be. Thankfully, history has also shown that in the long run, justice will prevail.

"It's a matter of taking the side of the weak against the strong, something the best people have always done." - Harriet Beecher Stowe

5. Re: How could Oprah eat a corndog (knowing what she knows)?
Nov 2, 2009 5:08 AM   |   In response to: chefwalnut


It is a dietary choice, it is not a moral imperative.

Animals are on the food chain and humans are on the top.

The Holocaust was about how humans were treated, animals are not human. Animals are food and were put on earth as food.

6. Re: How could Oprah eat a corndog (knowing what she knows)?
Nov 2, 2009 5:08 AM   |   In response to: chefwalnut


See what happens when you don't eat meat you start thinking crazy stuff like putting an event that killed human lives and treated other humans as if they were a lowly animal.

The Holocaust was a horrible event that even though millions have died, there were survivors and those survivors thrived.

What does the Holocaust have to do with eating meat? You can't put humans and animals on the same level. Humans are above animals.

7. Re: How could Oprah eat a corndog (knowing what she knows)?
Nov 2, 2009 6:18 AM   |   In response to: lifegetter


Lifegetter: You're great!

Thanks for being the voice of reason.

GO MEAT!

8. Re: How could Oprah eat a corndog (knowing what she knows)?
Nov 2, 2009 6:18 AM   |   In response to: lifegetter


The point is, Nazis considered Jews to be inferior beings. Whites considered blacks to be inferior beings. Just as you consider animals to be inferior beings. It is SPECIESISM. And, just like racism, sexism, etc, it is morally indefensible.

Just because you have been taught by your religion or your family or whoever, that animals are "lowly" does not make it true. It is a self-serving belief that enables people to abuse animals to their benefit without feeling guilt or responsibility. Fortunately, many thinking people are able to break free of these prejudicial beliefs. In fact, many Holocaust survivors saw the connection between how they were treated and how we treat animals. There are several good books on the topic. One is "Eternal Treblinka" by Charles Patterson. It has been nominated for the Pulizer Prize.

"Auschwitz begins whenever someone looks at a slaughterhouse and thinks: they're only animals." - Jewish philosopher Theodor Adormo

9. Re: How could Oprah eat a corndog (knowing what she knows)?
Nov 2, 2009 6:18 AM   |   In response to: lifegetter


Mistyped...that should read, "Pulitzer Prize"

10. Re: How could Oprah eat a corndog (knowing what she knows)?
Nov 2, 2009 6:36 AM   |   In response to: chefwalnut


Animals are lowly creatures. How many animals earn a living? None, there are animals who are trained to help fight crime (but they don't understand what crime is), there are animals who perform (although they don't understand that they are performing, they just think they are getting a treat). How many animals are working towards world peace? How many animals are there looking for cures for diseases? None, there are animals used to help fight diseases, but there are no animals actually doing research to fight diseases.

How many animals are there that are pulling their own weight? None.

Why? Because they are inferrior to humans. Their brains are not as developed as human brains, and that makes them lowly.

There is a huge difference between a slaughterhouse that slaughters humans. Those concentration camps slaughtered humans because of who they were.

Animals are slaughtered for food, to feed the hungry. There is a huge difference between these two types of slaughterhouses. One was because of ignorance towards human life, the other is because certain animals are for food.

11. Re: How could Oprah eat a corndog (knowing what she knows)?
Nov 2, 2009 7:42 AM   |   In response to: lifegetter


It's no coincidence that we eat meat. Our forefathers knew that it was an excellent source of protien and iron. I have anemia, and my dr. recommended beef. Over the weekend, I feasted on steak, chicken, pork, and shrimp. Delicious.

I'm looking forward to Thanksgiving with the traditional American turkey dinner.

I understand where vegans are coming from. But please don't make your issues, my own. I also serve meat, and once dated a butcher. :x

12. Re: How could Oprah eat a corndog (knowing what she knows)?
Nov 2, 2009 8:09 AM   |   In response to: g2gpeace4a


Meat is very important to our diet.

I too am looking forward to Thanksgiving with all the turkey trimmings and all.

Could you imagine what our world would be like if we didn't eat meat? The over populations of the diseases, the over population of animals?

Of all the creatures on this world, we humans are more humane when it comes to killing certain animals for their meat, hides, and other products we use from the animals.

Wolves, don't care if their pray is dead before taring their flesh to eat. They just rip their flesh right off their bodies, while their pray is forced to endure the pain.

Big wild cats, chase their pray. Claw their pray. They don't care if their pray are in pain, they just want to eat their pray for survival.

Animals don't contribute to world peace, animals don't contribute knowledge for a better planet.

They only graze, poop, and die. They don't think about humans, they don't think about other animals starving. They don't think about the abuse that other animals or humans endure daily.

Animals don't care and never will care about the history of man kind, or even their own kind.

Animals are not out in the fields digging up dinosaur bones to study them to figure out why the dinosaurse died off.

Animals don't care. They only care about surviving.

Every living creature on earth only cares about survivng, that is just nature.

We all have our beliefs and are entiled to our beliefs.

We all have rights to live the way that is best for ourselves, and we do not have the right to impose and force others to believe the same thing. It will never happen.

You can lead a horse to water, but you cannot make it drink.

13. Re: How could Oprah eat a corndog (knowing what she knows)?
Nov 2, 2009 8:22 AM   |   In response to: lifegetter


Your claims of superiority are based on human-centric criteria.

Each animal has his or her own intelligence and capabilities that differ from ours. That does not make them "lowly." It makes them different. There are situations in which it might be beneficial to have the skills of a human, however, there are situations in which it would be better to have the abilities of a dolphin, or a bird, for example. Animals have the intelligence and abilities necessary to live and thrive in their own environments and communities. As do we.

Because they are different from us does not give us the right to confine, maim, torture and kill them just because we like how they taste. Human babies might taste great. Should we eat them, too? In China, people eat cats and dogs. Why don't we? The fact is, we have drawn arbitrary boundaries around certain animals and it is not based on any convincing rationale. Pigs are smarter than dogs, yet we routinely torture, confine and butcher them. Dolphins are considered to be highly intelligent and compassionate, yet we tolerate their abuse and slaughter.

It is common scientific knowledge that it is not necessary to consume animal products to live a healthy life. In fact, evidence increasingly shows that animal products are detrimental to human health. As well as to the environment and to the problem of world starvation.

The FAO reports that animal agriculture generates more greenhouse gases than all modes of transportation in the world COMBINED. And since animals consume much more protein than they ultimately yield, grains that could be consumed by humans are consumed by animals instead...contributing to world starvation.

People who CARE about global warming, about animal cruelty, and human health concerns will naturally begin to question cultural myths and self-serving beliefs about animals, and learn to embrace a plant-based diet in order to live in accordance with their own values.

14. Re: How could Oprah eat a corndog (knowing what she knows)?
Nov 2, 2009 8:54 AM   |   In response to: chefwalnut

Lifegetter:

I went vegetarian for about a year and just started eating meat again within the last month. I don't know why I was craving it, but I was. During that year, I lost 35 pounds (as I was also working out), had no digestive issues (used to suffer with IBS and gastric reflux), never felt bloated and had more energy than I've had in years. Well, in the last month since I started eating meat again, all of those conditions have come back and I have gained back 10 pounds, even while still working out. I originally went vegetarian because I read very detailed accounts of a factory-farmed animal's life from the time of its birth to the day it arrives at the grocery store. Believe me, if you knew the details of what was actually going into your body, you would think differently about the meat you consume. Just the fact that cattle are corn-fed is making us sick and fat all by itself. Or consider when the cattle are taken to slaughter, screaming in fear and dragged violently, their adrenaline surging through their muscles. They die at the moment their adrenaline is highest and then we eat that muscle. Doesn't seem like a good idea to me. Chickens, pigs, cows, turkeys and even fish are EXTREMELY smart creatures. You only need to read a little to know that, so your point about them being dumb and inferior holds no weight. And the idea that cows, pigs, and poultry would somehow over-populate and crowd the earth and ruin farmer's crops is just beyond my comprehension. They are purposely being overpopulated right now by factory farms and forced to live in the most vile of conditions so that we can buy our meat at the cheapest price possible. Have you not heard of manure lagoons? Left on their own, they would not over-populate. In humans, cancer, heart disease, obesity and gastric conditions are on the rise and everyone sits around scratching their heads as to why. If you read a little, you will find that these conditions went on the rise when animal factory farming became the norm and high-fructose corn syrup (banned across Europe) showed up in just about everything we eat.

I understand that everyone has to make a choice about whether to eat meat, or even to consume a product that comes from a live animal (eggs, dairy - the chickens and cows are severely abused in these situations as well, making the product you eat unhealthy for your body) I have lived most of my life oblivious to the animals I was eating. I started READING and learned so much that I stopped eating them. As I said, about a month ago I started eating meat again, being careful to find organic, free-range, etc., but after reading your posts I will stop. I'm sorry, but what you are saying is ignorant. I'm sure you are a smart person but are choosing to keep yourself grossly uninformed. I'm begging you to read some books on the subject and then make an INFORMED decision about what you eat. If you still choose to eat meat, perhaps it will cause you to find sources of meat that are free-range, organic and grass-fed. If that is more expensive, maybe you will choose to have one or two meatless dinners a week (cheese tortellini? bean and cheese burritos?...) to offset the cost of the organic meats.

The book I would recommend for a start would be Kathy Freston's Quantum Wellness. She talks about wellness in all areas of life, but has some really good chapters on the animals we eat and what their lives are like. What I like about it is that she talks about "leaning" into a life change a little bit at a time. Very detailed about the animals, but not too hardcore about making the change overnight.

Another good book if you like a little humor, is Skinny ***** by Rory Freedman and Kim Barnouin. I chuckled quite a bit and learned a lot.

Lastly, I would recommend The Omnivore's Dilemma by Michael Pollan.

Again, eat meat if you wish, but at least make your choices from an informed place.

15. Re: How could Oprah eat a corndog (knowing what she knows)?
Nov 2, 2009 8:45 AM   |   In response to: g2gpeace4a


I too am looking forward to Thanksgiving Dinner! This year we are having:

Root vegetable cassoulet with Pumpkin Souffle crust

Field Roast with red wine and mushroom sauce

Mashed Potatoes with garlic

Savory Bread Stuffing with soy sausage, mandarin oranges and walnut pieces

Cornbread with non-dairy butter

Green Beans with chestnuts and crispy shallots

Bavarian Apple Pie with (non-dairy) Vanilla Ice Cream

It's not necessary to contribute to animal suffering in order to enjoy a wonderful, sensual, gourmet meal. In fact, knowing that we are not responsible for inflicting misery and suffering on an innocent creature makes our Thanksgiving all the more meaningful.

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