Boy, bridgebldr, I don't know. After reading some of the thoughts on this Board, I don't know what to believe. You've got people saying that the U.S. government planned the 9/11 attack killing 3,000 people, and others saying that the problem with healthcare is overpopulation. I might just take my chances with the virus. Most people I work with are torn on whether to get the vaccine or not.

I am warning everyone I know to avoid this shot. Many will get it anyway because they are told to. DId you hear that IF you don't get the shot, you will face a stiff fine and /or detention in one of the many "camps" around the country? Why do they wish to do this? The numbers are very low on Swine Flu deaths. Ya and I are sending Divine Love to STOP this program of de-population.

The Flu Vaccine contains, Mercury and Thimerosal, as a base. Poison! They recommend that babies, 6 mos. and older get the vaccine!! WHAT!

"The National Institute of Allergies and Infectious Diseases". This agency is part of the National Institute of Health (NIH), which is as CORRUPT and TREASONOUS as the Center for Disease Control (CDC) in DECEIVING the American public into believing that they are interested in resolving disease conditions and improving the health of Americans when, in reality, they are working in the interest of the Rockefeller Eugenics agenda which is ultimately geared towards population reduction through disease attrition. These agencies are monitoring, managing, and over-sighting the poisoning of America via vaccinations, chemtrails, pharmaceutical contamination, as well as water and food contamination. All the while, of course, disseminating a continuous stream of LIES and PROPAGANDA about their benign interest in "helping" Americans overcome the latest bioweapons laboratory-created health "crisis" (Swine Flu, Bird Flu, SARS, AIDS, etc., etc.).

Citizen beware. Be informed. This is for ALL countries. Look up the info, research it yourself.

ABSOLUTELY NOT!

What limited testing that HAS been done on this latest vaccine shows a very high instance of neurological damage as a primary side effect!

Yet they want to give this to our children (as if they aren't already over-vaccinated--it's up to what, 24 vaccinations now in the 1st year of life?) and I just heard on the radio two days ago that they're now encouraging all pregnant women who are at least 4 months along to get it as well. This is MADNESS.

But what's even worse is that there will be thousands upon thousands of people who'll actually buy into all the fear-based propaganda being spread throughout mass media and will run out and allow themselves to be guinea pigs, even though there are medical doctors who are convinced and are saying the vaccination is worse than the disease and that they absolutely will NOT be taking this vaccine themselves nor will they be giving it to their children! Check the Fox news clip out on youtube for yourselves.

You couldn't pay me any amount of money in the world to take this vaccine much less allow it to be given to my children, nor will I be frightened or bullied into submission......

Don't worry too much, I'm sure when they do their government takeover of healthcare they won't implement any kind of rule like you need vaccine X in order to get any other treatments.

Hi friendsofb,

Ironically, you and I are not so far off from being in agreement on this one. I am growing increasingly concerned about the "big brother" aspect of healthcare reform, even though I do believe SOMETHING needs to be done to assist the uninsured. I also do not believe that the pharmaceutical/medical/insurance establishment necessarily has all the answers, nor are they even close to being divorced from greed-based motivations or their own misconceptions. And given the way healthcare reform has been recast, especially with no public option and required insurance with penalties, not really knowing how alternative medicine will come into play, or personal choice, even choice based on spiritual beliefs, I indeed have some concerns.

Why is the song with the words "Meet the new boss, same as the old boss..." playing in my head, sigh?...SO disappointing and hopefully not really the case...

When the chicken pox vaccine came out years ago, I investigated that too at the time, and the choice was not to take it (it was voluntary back then). What was the consequence? Well, I knew I had never had chickenpox myself. And yep, a day arrived when my child came home with chickenpox, quite a nasty case too. And guess what, I caught it too, and it was VERY unpleasant - I even had a problem with one of my eyes for quite a while and still bear a few scars.

Did I even once regret my decision regarding the immunization? No. I weighed the evidence and made an informed decision at the time, one based on evaluating the risks and benefits, when the chickenpox vaccine was very new. People can actually die from the chickenpox, especially adults, but STILL I did not regret my choice, not even once, not even while I was sick.

In the case of the H1N1 vaccine, I'm weighing the facts and listening to many sources, also evaluating their reliability, as some are less reliable than others. I'm disappointed we are not hearing more direct facts from government sources, including an honest assessment of the risks. I sense a push to gloss over what may be inconvenient tradeoffs that everyone needs to evaluate in a direct and honest way, just to push a particular agenda forward, and I find that HIGHLY disappointing, especially given how I cast my vote in the last election.

Based on all the sources I have studied so far, I have not yet been convinced that the H1N1 vaccine is safe for my family. I also think there is a very high likelihood H1N1 already came through my area last Spring, before they were really checking for it in a consistent way, and we all had it already (including a case of pneumonia), thus making the risks of the vaccine a moot point. But everyone needs to make their own choices by becoming informed themselves. And I will continue to evaluate the information available, from many sources.

Remember, this country was founded based on freedom. I don't believe in big brother. And I especially don't appreciate any effort to minimize inconvenient truths, as I'm all about Truth, no matter what the tradeoffs. If it really IS "meet the new boss, same as the old boss", something I'm carefully watching and yet hoping for the best, maybe I'll become a libertarian next...

The Truth will take you into some pretty interesting areas, BB. You and I agree on that; it has ben my life's pursuit. Freedom is SO important. I have fought long and hard not only to find and uncover Truth, but try to live it. I am pursuing now becoming a Sovereign being. It's not easy. By the age of 7, you are already a slave to the state and can no longer contest it!! But there are ways around that. In pursuit of the Truth about these vaccines, well, it's tough going for now as the info is so limited. But the majority of the info leads me to believe that it is very unsafe. In our local grocery store flyer today, I saw a listing of where they will give Flu shots, all of the counties in California. Something doesn't feel right, y'know? It's not mandatory for the regular Flu shot, but why are they pushing it on everyone, including pregnant women and babies 6 mos old or older? Haven'r figured the whole thing out yet, but when something doesn't smell right, it usually isn't. To error on the side of caution is my motto.

DId you know that alot of vaccines lay dormant within your body and 20 to 30 years later they MUTATE and are active again. Usually in a more horrid form to deal with.

No vaccines!

Hi BB, I don't know about all this conspiracy stuff. I am kind of weighing that. Not wanting to be hasty or judgmental. One thing though, that just popped into my head... Remember when we got the Smallpox Vaccine? Basically eradicated smallpox in the US. And the Diphtheria, combination vaccine? And what was the whooping cough vaccine called? Immunization is something that science has been able to acheive and there is gratitude to be found there. People live a longer and healthier life now. And if it weren't for our eating habits, we might be able to live much, much longer.

Food for thought!

Love

Patee

Immunization is something that science has been able to acheive and there is gratitude to be found there. People live a longer and healthier life now.

Inform yourself Patee, I think you might have a change of mind as to what is really going on. J.

Hi Patee,

I have heard a lot of conspiracy theories with respect to the H1N1 vaccine, but that's not why I have concerns about it. I have concerns about it because when I personally weigh the risks versus benefits, especially given that we believe we all already had H1N1 in my family (and it was NOT pleasant either - my child DID get pneumonia), I don't see the benefit of taking on the added risk of the immunization.

I think there are legitimate risks associated with the vaccine, given the amount of testing time and other factors, and I think it is up to each family to weigh the risks versus benefits. I also know that the pharmaceutical companies and the FDA in their rush to the market often CLAIM something is safe, only to discover years later that it is not safe. And in this case, it may be weeks or months later, not years, due to the amount of testing time.

Even so, it is up to each person to make a responsible decision based on sources they trust. There are risks associated with EITHER decision, and nobody can make the decision for you, as with ANY medical decision.

The H1N1 virus carries risk too, although I do believe the risk has been over-exaggerated. That REALLY bothers me, as there are many inaccurate fear stories being generated about H1N1, like comparing it to the scary 1918 pandemic. This is NOT 1918. And if you study the facts, most people died from pneumonia in 1918. I heard a doctor talking about this on a video...Do you know what they did for you when you had pneumonia in 1918? There were no ventilators. They didn't even have a good way to treat you if you were dehydrated. There were no antibiotics. They put you in a bed in the hospital with a blanket and kept you comfortable, that was about it, if you were able to get to a hospital. So to compare this virus to the 1918 pandemic is intensely misleading.

And do you know when my red flags go up? When government officials intentionally mislead the public. And that's when I start hearing that old song once again..."Meet the new boss, same as the old boss..." I sure hope not, how intensely disappointing that would be, as integrity actually does matter to many of us, but time will tell...

In peace,
BridgeBuilder

Hi Sensor, I do weigh everything and keep as informed as possible. I know there are risks associated with just about everything we put in our bodies. Even down to what we eat! However we need to eat, so hopefully we make good choices.

As for the vaccine, it seems that we are damned either way. To do or not to do. How do we know what others are saying is correct or not? If correct about conspiricy then we are going to suffer consequences, if we get vaccinated we will suffer consequenses.

What do you think is really going on, Sensor? What is your informed opinion? So far, I haven't found anything other then some of the far right religious groups seeing 666, the gathering of Armeggedon, conspiricy from these goups. Even receiving huge flyers at my doorstep. Coming from these large politcal/religious groups, linking everything from vaccines to persecution of "true Christians" to the time we are living in. Everything I google comes down to that. Seriously. Where can I find rational, scientific evidence? P.M me if you know a legitimate source. I am open and will not be skeptical if it is condusive to the well being of humankind.

What Is really going on?

Hi BB, Yes, I agree there are risks involved as with any and everything we put in our bodies. And I personally have not make the decision as to what I will do. I have heard some of the news reports, however I did not know of the comparison to 1918. The pandemic. I think that means the number of people who caught the disease, not the number who died, and as you say, they did not have adaqute treatment back then.

We have really advanced in this new century. There are good guys who have the best interests of humanity. Yes there are the "bad" guys too. We are the ones we have been waiting for BB. I stand by that. Call me naive, call me illusionary, call me deaf, blind or dumb. For now I CHOOSE to remain positive. I lived in fear and the negitive for a very long time. Now I am learning to stay centered and just flow. It can be hard to do at times. I think we have been conditioned to veer off course, it has been "carefully taught" for eons. Yes, I believe there is a "dark energy" that has power over the world as the ultimate goal. Yet you know as do I that it will be overcome by "light energy". As Tolle said so succiently "evolve or die". Seems we are at the crossroad.

As for the "administration". There is a moment coming, I feel it, when the shift happens! I will not despair of that. Watch and see a Master at work. From the Tao " Why should the lord of a country flit about like a fool? If you let yourself be blown to and fro? If you lose touch with your root, If you let restlessness move you, you lose touch with who you are". "Do you think you can improve the world? I don't think it can be done. the Master resides in the center of the circle". And finally "Whoever relies on the Tao in governing, doesn't try to force issues or defeat enemies by force of arms. For every force there is a counterforce. Violence, even well intentioned Always rebounds upon itself". "The Master does is job...and then stops. He understands the the Universe is always out of control, and that trying to dominate events goes Against the current of the Tao. Because he believes in himself, she doesn't try to Convience others. Because she is content with herself, she doesn't need others approval. Because he accepts himself, the whole world accepts him"

Words for thought, I think. Patience and trust along with gratitude, dear BB.

Love,

Patee

Hi Patee,

Look up on the net....Swine Flu Vaccination Law Suits....there you will find plenty of real time info. As well you can go into a site from Dr. Mercola...he has as well info. I live in the city, home of Roche...Tamiflu.....and Novartis which is producing the vaccine for the US....they plan on making trillions with this made up virus.....combination of human flu, bird flu and swine. It is sad what is happening, but they have an Agenda....they have been waiting for the right time to set off a Pandemic...tried to with the bird flu, but it mutated and they didn't count on that. Well, you will see for yourself and then decide. It is funny though, we are damned if we do and damned if we don't. The worst is to fall into fear. That is the real killer. As far as food goes, nothing is safe to eat and what is they want to take away our rights to have it....even vitamins sold in health food stores and drugeries are to eventually be forbidden....just pharmaceutical drugs allowed. Oh, see Jane Burgermeister on video. Take care J.

Sensor108,

It is so nice to have another informed person here to help out with the dissemination of the truth and websites for them to visit. I have so many also. But many don't wish to go to the trouble of looking it all up or reading it. Some of these websites have already been taken down or soon to be taken down, so I strongly encourage everyone: whatever info you find COPY IT INTO A FILE. I have had to do that with a few that were pulled within the week of finding them!!! You are correct. That Internet Bill that passed in April can be the death of free access to this info. Thanks for staying on top!

Dear Sensor, Thank you for the information, I will look it up right now. And yes, I agree, it is worse to fall into fear. I appreciate this from you and will get cracking on it!

Patee