Additionally, I also wanted to add another post inspired by a newcomer and new family member here on the boards. I find it inspiring and ironic that the initial thread post was inspired by a long time member and this other post was inspired by a new member. Both posts about some form of freedom. I think we all agree on freedom of speech. I'm grateful for that particular freedom and I'm glad my voice is one of many, we may not be singing the same songs but we are making a joyful noise. Weenies, beverages and gratitude all in love with those you love tomorrow!

The opinions here are as diverse as the colors of light through a glass prism. Some you will agree with some you will not. The one ray of light that is constant here is the fact that no matter what one believes, the universal Source Love is there and never leaves as it is omnipresent. It too is as diverse as the rays of prismatic color.

WIth the current state of affairs in this country, it will get worse before it gets better and we will all find answers, relief, safety, comfort, security and equality eventually. Fortunately I have no one to truly support other than myself during this critical time.I do however to choose to assist those less fortuante than myself. But its relative to all who are being affected. Its not going to get better until it gets worse. This is the reality of what is happening in this country right now. Our approach, outlook, and what we do to change it will be what makes it better. Not complaining and talking about it. Change requires action. I would just like to say about 911.....it was a blasphemous tragedy. I had friends who are no longer here because of "certain people's greed." I have reasons to believe this which I will not go into here. 911 was not all that it seemed. It was however, a devastating tragedy and those responsible will answer when the time comes.

I come from a line of original Americans, the indigenous Native Americans, here on this continent. My views on how this country was founded and started are very different than some, if not most. I know what I know about my ancestry and how this continent was before it was invaded, devastated, and annil-hated. This is all I will say as I have said it many times on these threads and nothing will not change the truth of what I know. I seen and held physical proof of what happened. It had absolutely nothing to do with G*d. As a matter of fact, what was done was done vainly in G*d's name like much of what happens in this country today. I know this sounds harsh from someone who is a believer. But it is my opinion. Men of G*d did not come and build this country. The forefathers of this country were not all men of G*d. There were atheists and unitarians, puritans and universalists, other protestant and catholic but does that make them believers or does that tell what "tribe or sect" they belonged to at the time? This country was not as most people think, founded on Judaeo-Christian priniciples. This is also an assumption that has been perpetuated by organized religion, but when one does their homework, one will find clearly that this country was founded on many things that were not G*dly; that is unless one sees murder, rape, pilaging, greed, struggle for power, supremacy, arrogance, jealousy, envy, pride, and slavery to name just a few as G*dly virtues.

Here we sit on the eve of a day we celebrate Freedom. Independence from whom? I believe many are still in bondage in more ways than one.

But even in bondage, I AM GRATEFUL TO BE HERE and genuinely love the Mother Earth of this country. I am grateful too, sharing it with my brothers and sisters here and in other cites and towns here in THE USA no matter what the circumstances. I love my brothers and sisters across this globe in all lands foreign to mine. In this truth, the truth of ONE, I am deeply grateful and hold my love for this truth precious in my heart.

I want to believe that what we thought we knew was only a vehicle to move us to where we are today. Present in the truth of who we really are. Spiritual beings experiencing a human existence. This is where the true change takes place. Relinquishing the bondage of all things old and wrong and illusionary, and enveloping all that is light, love, and forward growth as ONE. In order to have true freedom, labels and living in a box has to end. Equality has to become a reality. It is not. As long as there are those who would judge someone else and keep them from having the same rights in this country, dare I say the globe, we are not free, we are not equal. The law of this country says nowhere that we must pay income tax yet we voluntarily comply with what we think we are supposed to do. When will we all stand up and say as one people, show me in the law where it says we must. When will this country say as one, the Federal Reserve must comply and fall under the law of this country? When will we as ONE people stand up and say, this person or these people do not have the same rights as I do. No, we are not equal and we are not free. We do however, have the ability to be independent. And when all come together with the exact same belief, goal, and focus without judgmental restriction, and show this by action, then and only then will be equal, and true freedom a reality. Until then it is only words, and concepts and vain repetitions of egoic pride.

WE ARE lALL LOVED not only by the Creator that created all things in Source Love, no matter our station or beliefs in life.....................

Happy Independence Day.

*Thank you Rib for that beautiful metaphor. I can just see the beautiful fireworks exploding against the night sky. All those different colors, different shapes, and sizes exploding together to make one big awe inspiring show! I can see all eyes turning up and seeing that beauty. Seeing the truth. What you say is truth. All the differences amongst us. The different ideas, opinions, understandings of god , in reality all the "sameness". We all make up one whole complete, dazzling, awe inspiring show! *

* I really felt the truth of that illustration. I felt it go through my eyes, as I was reading your words, it went straight into my gut, and my spirit is satisfied and fulfilled. It will now be a part of me, through and through. This is real learning. when something becomes a part of you. It is something you "know". It can't be changed. Tomorrow while I'm watching and hearing the visual concepts of our "Independence" I will remember this. July 4th will mean more to me than it ever has. I will remember what true "freedom" means! I will remember that you gave me the metaphor to teach me on that cellular level. *

* I will raise my head and look up in prayer. Not with a bowed head. One looking joyously into the dark of night with Freedom on Display!!!! Love Sister Crystal*

We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.

In God there is no lack, He is a God of abundance and if we truly seek Him we we will find Him. Yet, even in Christianity it seems that too many Americans believe that we are not all equal unless we believe as they do.

God bless us with the strength, the wisdom and the will to defeat such ignorance.

God Bless You Rosie in your determination to stand for the Source of Love.

Holy rbjreviews sistah shia you are sooo prolific i kin't

even read az fassa u kin type eh??? omg ...

happy "sat her day " btw u soooo

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joyce norman

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pd

pdgiddy! I think I might have heard of Joyce Norman, that name rings a bell....a big ole bell...... please PM me about her. And thanks for strummin over to this little 4th rant thread. Play through your Independence Day with much joyful noises! And throw a brew back for me! Or 7.

Thanks Rosie....you have touched me as you put it into words what we are now going through to awaken, and not be sheep. It isn't about one country...The US of A....this country was to be at the time symbolic for all...and yet what have we done....mistaken it for just one continent. This continent was to be the place for all to learn, develop and to be released from oppression of any sort, and yet we still, not all but some, see it as the promised land just for themselves...and the hell with the others. We are the others, and it was the gift we got to develop a world of freedom for all....not just the privileged. We are being faced with the errors of our thinking(ego) as we see the fall of this nation. J.

I sing a new song along
with my greater spiritual family of believers. Our own individual
truths resonate from the same Source Love of the One Creator, each
singing their part harmonically resonating in the ONE song of FREEDOM.
Let it ring FREE AT LAST, FREE AT LAST, THANK G*D ALMIGHTY WE'RE FREE
AT LAST......and resonate globally so that all may know of that ONE SOURCE LOVE. In that greater knowledge, joy is abundant and the fireworks from THAT show are universal and amazing.

Beautiful!!!! Thank you for that wonderful post

Many Blessings

Victoria

Happy 4 th of July ,in celebration of the commemoration of the declaration of U.S.of A. 's independence.

You just expressed it very beautifully with an genuine depth , that rings true.

May all celebrating the sparkling light in the skies up above tonight ,also send gratitude prayers

to all those Brave 56 men who,by putting this declaration together and signing it and had endured

with there families ,tremendous hardship. So we may celebrate our Freedaom this day .......They have not died invain.

Counting and sharing the blessings that AMERICA became a space where one could atleast,

start one's independant journey ,..without being persecuted,... well even that took time.... but..

.it did grand us this possibility to venture ,..as you so beautifully posted:

Present in the truth of who we really are. Spiritual beings experiencing a human existence. This is where the true change takes place. Relinquishing the bondage of all things old and wrong and illusionary, and enveloping all that is light, love, and forward growth as ONE. In order to have true freedom, labels and living in a box has to end. Equality has to become a reality. It is not. As long as there are those who would judge someone else and keep them from having the same rights in this country, dare I say the globe, we are not free, we are not equal........

And for this one I must stand up and give you a standing ovation. and marching with you ,gathering the many to join., in resonance of these words.:

When will we as ONE people stand up and say, this person or these people do not have the same rights as I do. No, we are not equal and we are not free. We do however, have the ability to be independent. And when all come together with the exact same belief, goal, and focus without judgmental restriction, and show this by action, then and only then will be equal, and true freedom a reality.

A huge WOW...

By this God given ability ,......to be independent ,do we each individually , have this duty as our birth right to so claim it. and to do so we need to know what is that in which we are equal .We each are created in God's Likeness and there is where our equality lies. Within we each are sustaned by the ONE and SAME DIVINITY.and so we need to not as you said verbally know we are spirits having a human experience, but also know this our own Spirit ,face to Face, who is having this human experience In the same way , as we see our own faces in a mirror,..by this power of perceiving ,granted ,by this spirit abiding within this our physical body And when we on this spiritual journey, from self practical experience know this ,.......will we treat ourselves and so too each other with deep love, reference and profound kindness , for that is the stuff we are made out of..LOVE....DIVINE LOVE.

Happy U.S. of A. Independance day to all AM-ER-I-CAN.... where ever you are,.. on this Earth.

May we one day too as one RACE, the HUMAN RACE ,... knowing our True SPiritual Selves , be celebrating our true independent existance,... so FREEDOM may REIGN on Earth as in Heaven.

light ,love and peace

Audrey

Freedoms just another word, for nothing else to lose......

Rosie, Thank you for this glorious light show. Fireworks of love, twirling and swirling, expanding and dancing.

Singing right along with you....Free at last, thank God Almighty....free at last!

Now pass me a hotdog and some of that tater salad..... Bright beautiful love to you dear sister.

Dear Friend Rosie, I am blown away by your magnificent post regarding Freedom, I stand with you when I recognize that the freedoms we supposedly have are illusion. Freedom is just "another word". We are not free and it is time that we stand up as One People! When I say I AM Free, I am referring to the Freedom within me. Independance Day is just a date that some see as bondage. Equal is just another word in some frames of reference. I would see every day as not independance but Oneness, each basking in True Freedom. Freedom from those who even now seek to place America and the world under a yoke of totalitarianism. Yes, that is the plan.

The framers of the constitution and Declaration of Independance were not christians for the most part, they understood that to be free we needed not only freedom of religion, it was paramount to have freedom from religion. The Puritans and Calvanists fought against this and wanted to restrict freedom and to impose strict religious laws on others. Burning at the stake was a by-product of this frame of belief.

Part of the plan was as you say "911". Not going to discuss this, however I want you to know, that I know.

Gratefully, I do not see that is to be. Gratefully I see humanity rising above that. It takes just one and then another. To Be One. I am quite sure that there is another plan afoot. A rapid return to Source, love, G*d-G*dess. The Growith of Universal Healing. The more we express and grown in that plan, what we change inside becomes the new way of living and Be-ing.

I offer this in gratitude. "Great Mother, we in joy and courage we go through the veil of confusion. We understand your need. We heal our body/earth. We commit to ourselves, our enlightenment, forgiveness. We grow in wisdom. In forgiveness. So I pledge to find harmony and balance. To walk in beauty. Finding balance in body, mind, heart, soul, spirit. To become a beacon in the darkness. To understand that darkness illuminates the dark places. This I pledge.

AHO!

Standing with you and all the great spirits who strive to walk in balance!

Nightbird

Thank you Audrey , for this reminder that the framers of the endured persecution, death and torture in order for this document to be declared. So many had the courage to ensure our basic freedoms.

I will also see the brilliant lights in the sky as a metaphor to Heal the World. And to see all joined Together as One. We illuminating the night sky, sending it out around the AM-ER-I-CAN Earth. May this be another Global Resonance for Changing and Evolving the whole Human race. Freedom.

Love

Patee

My heart sings as I dip into your eloquent words Rosie.............I feel truly blessed at having found this site and sit side by side with more courageous spirits than mine. I cheer from the sidelines everytime a candle is lit in the face of darkness, it is noted by me and many I'm sure. Each time your speak your truth you give others the courage and intent to free themselves from their own bondages and find for themselves their own experience of Source Love.

Your words touched me Rosie.

Many blessings to you.

iggy.

Reading some of your post , I understand why this day is not quite a special day .

It was the birth of a country for the immigrant men that came to this country for many reasons , some for greed , others for freedom , some for religions freedom , some for land .

This birth for these people meant death for the American Indian , who never harmed this land , or polluted it , or abused it .

And nothing can ever be done , to repay the dept of this wrong , and who would be repaid ? The people are gone , only a few are left .

I think God , who you call the source , repaid the white man , in the Civil war not only for the black mans wrong done to Him , but the Indian .

And I think today with the economy failing , and this country's dept , is God's way of us paying the price for the Greed , that drove the white man to steal , kill and destroy anyone in his path for the land , and for greed .

Vengeance is the Lords , God says , I will repay He says .

We see the great leader Tecumseh' and His Prophet God rose up , to witness to the white men , what they were doing was wrong .

How that , God told the Prophet that ever president , ever 20 years would die in office .

Then every 20 years after elected they died :

1840, William H. Harrison was elected President. , . He died in office on April 4, 1841.

In 1860, Abraham Lincoln was elected president with a small plurality, although a big margin in the electoral college. The country divided and the War Between the States broke out within months. Lincoln was shot and died April 15, 1865.

In 1880, James A. Garfield was elected president which marked the beginning of the end of the Indian Nations. Garfield was shot and died September 19, 1881, following complications from his wounds and physicians.

In 1900, William McKinley was elected to a second term,marked the merger of the Democrat and Populist parties. McKinley was shot on September 6 and died September 14, 1901.

In 1920, Warren G. Harding was elected president by a huge margin but only after a contentious campaign with the main issue being U.S. membership in the League of Nations in the aftermath of World War I, which ended only two years before. He died in office August 2, 1923.

In 1940, Franklin D. Roosevelt was urged not to break tradition and seek a third term. He did anyway and was re-elected convincingly despite dire warnings from his opponents that America was on the verge of war and reassurances from FDR that it was not so. America entered World War II on December 7, 1941. FDR could have broken the curse by not running for a fourth term. He did anyway and died in office April 12, 1945.

In 1960, John F. Kennedy was elected president with one of the narrowest margins in modern history. Even through there were widespread reports of fraud, his opponent did not contest the results. Kennedy was shot and died November 22, 1963. The U.S. entered the Vietnam War less than two years later.

In 1980, five years after the fall of Saigon ended the Vietnam War, America was once again divided. A sour economy and the Iran hostage crisis turned an election deemed "too close to call" into a rout for Ronald Reagan. On March 30, 1981, Reagan was shot as he was boarding his presidential limousine. The driver took him to a private hospital rather than the designated Bethesda Naval Hospital, quite possibly saving his life. Reagan's term in office was cut short by days as he recovered quickly.

So no man or country gets away with doing evil , the bible says what ever a man sows , that He will reap .

Religion or bible , or any evil done in the name of God and country , is still judged by God .

I personally believe this country was founded with Good men , that believed in God , no diffrent than some of these indians believe in God .

But a foundation , can only be laid , others have to build , what others lay , no one man can build a country alone .

And God is the Judge of how we build , not only a country , but our own individual life .

Because each life affects another , and this is our work , this is our contribution to the human race and our country .

We could look back , and condemn others , but condemning this or that , is not a good work .

It's only a good work is we learn from the mistakes of others ,and truly have seen and found the truth .

Happy Conscious Awareness Day to you Rosie and all LIFE in human form. Thank you for sharing your love, truth and awareness with all from your heart. Wonderfully done. You are a bright light in the darkness.

Love and Peace to you Rose, Carol

Blessings to you Audrey......such sweet blessings from you and I thank you.

The main point of the post was about spiritual freedom, but too, in this day of celebration, I also wanted to comment on equality from the human experience we are having.....I don't disagree at all with you on spiritual terms, but I must reiterate that until we fulfill the Declaration's and Constitution's words , intentions of equality, we will remain in bondage and not truly free. As long as one person or a group of people has rights that other's don't, there is no equality. Until euqlity is truly fulfilled, the struggle to free ourselves from "intended oppression and control" will continue. My prayer and meditation is gratitude for equality to come to fruition in our lifetimes. Small steps.....