Bible Discussin - The Rapture Theory

To start the word rapture is no even in the bible.

Matt. 24:21, 22: "Then there will be great tribulation such as has not occurred since the world's beginning until now, no, nor will occur again. In fact, unless those days were cut short, no flesh would be saved; but on account of the chosen ones those days will be cut short." (

This does not say that "the chosen ones" will all have been taken to heaven before the great tribulation. Rather, it holds out the prospect to them, along with associates in the flesh, of surviving that great tribulation on earth.

I understand the days will be cut short. That is not saying that there is a rapture.

I for one do not believe in the rapture. The scripture I posted should bring that to mind.

The rapture theory, they say, began in the 1800s. You can google the book written- The
Unbelievable Pre-Trib Origin by Dave MacPherson.

The actual word rapture, which can be described as ecstatic joy or delight, had its origin in 1590-1600. You can look this up in a dictionary.

The Spirit can in rapture, in a state of joy and delight when the love of God is allowed to flow through. So, while I do not believe in the doctrine of rapture, I do believe the Spirit can be lifted and cause these states of being within.

Much Love

So do you agree that if we are still alive at this time, we will stay here on earth until Jesus comes on the Day of the Lord, the seventh trumphet?

Hi squkywhl:

This is a difficult discussion, because the rapture theory is so deeply ingrained in church doctrine but I can't help but believe that if such a thing occurs, it will happen to "the Jew First" then the Gentile.

I have recently read a commentary entitled "The Radical Kingdom of God: Conventional Christianity or Biblical Faith?" here is an excerpt from that article:

The Church is conducting a holding action; we are hanging in there until we are raptured. We are escapists. We want to get by, and we want to get out. We have no intention of remaining, we have no stomach for suffering, we have no desire to experience affliction, and we have no desire to demonstrate or to prove. We just want to hang in there until we shall be conveniently relieved of any further responsibility and escape.

It is amazing that the rapture theory, which is hardly more than a century old and was never understood by the Church fathers, has become so sacramental today, that even to question it is to put yourself in the place of being suspected of being heretical. The hope of the Church was not escape in times past; the hope of the Church was a Kingdom come, and a King coming to rule and to reign in the earth with His saints. That hope needs to be revived. It needs to be restored as the true hope, which will bring to the Church an electric, dynamic expectancy and an atmosphere that God intended to prevail in our life.

minglen1

The Rapture is a System play, much like the whole book of Revelation. Those in power now are using this belief in a Rapture to remove humans and decrease the population via "alien invasion". It is all set up with the help of the US Air Force and black op agencies. Of course they don't want you to know this.

They also have another scenario to holographically project the "return of Jesus" where all will fill the streets in anticipation of "going home". It will not be real as Jesus is already here and Dad is on his way.

Part of the Zero Population agenda, mass extinction of humans down to 500,000. But, are you ready to hear about this?

And you accept this as reality Sephora? Or would you prefer an alternate reality? You can choose whether to focus on the darkness or the Light.

People don't need to be ready to hear about such things, as such things are not going to happen. What you claim as truth is all about fear, not Love. Anything that promotes fear has nothing to do with what you like to term as "Dad".

In peace,
BridgeBuilder

Please BB, stop for a minute. You cannot stick your head in the ground nor can you sweep that which is uncomfortable to know under the rug and hope it goes away! Thinking positive thoughts has it's place, but not until the problem is known and dealt with.

I was talking to the Pentecostals / Evangelicals who firmly believe in the Rapture as something that WILL occur. They are being set-up, played by the System here. Don't you think they have a right to know what is truly going on?

Nobody WANTS to hear the Truth, to see behind the curtain. It's uncomfortable. You then have to revaluate what you believe in and where you stand. Most people don't want to take the time to do so. Truth is Truth whether it is positive or negative. Love is having the courage to face it and change it.

I'm all for the truth of this System being known and changed. So is Dad.

Right now, BB, there is a horrible war taking place between the US / Israel and the Palestinians. The REAL war is over spiritual power of the middle east. Yaeshuel and I are viligantly trying to remove it. Because of our action, the war has stepped up and the SYSTEM WANTS ARMEGEDDON to occur and RIGHT NOW! It is using the hope of certain Christians and the fear of humanity to cause it to occur. Tonight, we as humanity, are on the EDGE of this scenario happening.

How many people are facing this evil war and commanding that it cease? Or are they blissed out in positive thinking HOPING that it won't?

What side are you on?

It is a war between Israel and Hamas (not Palestine). It isn't a religious war. Wars like to hide under the guise of religion, but all wars are political in nature. By the way, the US was in the talks for a cease fire agreement.

The Palestinians are the ones dying, in large numbers. As of today, 1-12-09, it is a declared holy war. Chief Rabbi Mordechai Eliyahu made the statements. See my blog, "A DECLARED HOLY WAR".

Unless the ritual and darkness backing this war is removed, a cease fire will not happen.

Yes, and the Palestinians are being killed by Hamas because the Palestinians are allowing Hamas to hold them as hostages. I am not sure why the Palestinians allow Hamas to remain in their land, especially since Israel is attacking Hamas in self defense. Israel has declared war against Hamas not Palestine. Hamas doesn't care about the Palestinians. Certain people can declare Holy War or Jihad all they want to give the war more clout, even Rabbis. But, the war isn't about religion at all.

I agree with you yes. I believe the rapture is one of the churches lies.

oh sephora, now you got me thinking too much again ....

Hi minglen, so you do believe that God will rapture Christians to heaven during the six trumpet?