"very Now" should have been "every Now" - but now I am not even sure, whether you say "every" or "each"... in proper English

previous post by Jeanie: "This is just some of what the Law Of Attraction consists of.

This is a law that God put in motion and it is HIS principles for us to live by.

LOVE GOD WITH ALL YOUR HEART, MIND, AND STRENGTH, and all these will be alive in your life.

Similar desires attract similar benefits.

Always give others what you want for yourself, whether it is Time, love, energy, money, comfort, grace, or forgiveness.

You hear this truth in so many sayings - true wisdom.

What goes around, comes around.

Do unto others as you would have them do unto you.

As you give, so shall you receive.

With what measure you mete, so shall it be measure to you again.

As you judge, so shall you be judged.

Whatever you send out shall return unto you again.

AS A CHILD AND NOW TODAY I TEACH MY CHILDREN!

THE GOLDEN RULE IS:

DO UNTO OTHERS AS YOU WOULD HAVE THEM DO UNTO YOU.

and this you do when YOU LOVE YOUR NEIGHBOR AS YOURSELF.

Blessings Jeanie "

Good morning

nancy you may not need it and maybe I don't even need it. but there are some who don't understand the Golden Rule and if this helps, so be it. Blessings to all who do and I hope it helps.

I take it you are one who truly loves everyone unconditionally. WOW!!!! that is fantastic. I hope others can get to that point also. Maybe there won't be so much friction on these threads.

As I write this, I do agree with you, that if we ALL can just Do unto others as we want done to us, then the rest will all fall into place and we don't need it. WOULDN'T THAT BE AWESOME. But for now, it is important that we LOVE OUR OTHERS AS OURSELF that to would take care of it all.

Blessings Jeanie

How can you love yourself? You can only love the idea of yourself, which is the ego. Weren't we supposed to get rid of the ego? Including embellishing and glorifying this presumed 'me'?

I think not being able to love yourself is EGO. Look how many people are hurting, hating, fighting because of this or that, even on these boards.

Think about how Eckhart was at peace with everything, no matter what someone threw at him. He was calm and at peace.

To be able to love yourself in a good way, I am not talking about a neg. love for yourself, I am talking about a healthy love. ONE THAT LOVES TO SHARE and do for others what they would want done to them also.

Now EGO would be as you mentioned. That is with to love the idea of yourself, selfish, inconsiderent, and embllishing and glorifying this presumed 'me'. THAT IS TRULY NOT LOVE for YOURSELF.

Jeanie

I agree with much of what you say. I think it is similar to what I was talking about in my post about the 12 steps. I think the the law of attraction is about what Tolle talks about as EGO. The universe is random our spiritual lives should not depend on outcomes.....

Ok I think I see where I was missing this post. it has been some time since I read this. and as I read the last to paragraphs. I see where you are coming from.

Jesus came that we might have life and have more abundantly.

In what you say here I now understand when you are making reference to The Secret and LOA in the light of those.

"I would take it a step further to say that recognizing your creator and using the abundance provided by your creator to serve, is the only way to attract true abundance into your life. True abundance is not fleeting or temporary like the results produced from desire. You cannot have true abundance while others are lacking. Therefore, abundance is shared; it is not centered on gratifying the self.

We provide abundance to the universe through service. It is not produced from us or our desires but rather it is produced from the joy gifted to us by our creator. We only need to recognize it and share it, in order to "attract" it to our lives. We lack it only because we don't recognize it. So, in essence there is no true lack of abundance except where we lack it in our own hearts and minds. "

Now this makes more sense to me why you said NO LOA, Thanks and blessings Jeanie

The Difference Between The Work and The Secret

Dearest S,

Here are Stephen's thoughts:

The Secret: "You can have whatever you want."
The Work: "You can want whatever you have."

The Secret: "My will be done. I know what's best for me."
The Work: "Thy will be done (=Thy will is done). What's best for me is what actually happens." (In A Thousand Names for Joy, Katie says, "God's will and your will are the same, whether you notice it or not.")

The Secret: "You can control your thoughts."
The Work: "You are not the thinker. It's not possible to suppress your stressful thoughts. But when you question them, they let go of you."

The Secret: "You can manifest your positive thoughts as reality." The Work: "Reality already is the best thing that could be manifested. When you realize this, you're home free."

Thank you,, for your work during the Los Angeles relationships weekend, and thank G also for being so amazingly generous and present as she gives the Work to people in this world through her excellent recordings. I and thousands of others are so very grateful.

The Secret? So, let's discover for ourselves if there really is a secret, if in fact one exists. "There is a secret"-is it true? I don't know, I just don't know, could be, and how would I know when I have found it? Wouldn't it mean (if it were really powerful) that when I truly found it, my life and the lives of everyone I love, which is everyone on the planet without exception, would be perfect? That I and all of us would no longer have to suffer from needing, wanting, and shoulding, and would be excited and grateful for what we have as we watch more and more flow in as we need it and always on time, just loving what is here for us right now in this moment? Hmmm. Okay, let's keep moving.

"There is a secret"-can I absolutely know that it's true that there is a secret which, if known, would give me the key to having everything that I want and need that I don't have now in life? One that will give me later what I don't have now (examples: a BMW, the necklace that I really want, weight loss, a bike)? No, I can't know. How do I react when I think the thought that there is a secret and others know it and I don't? I must live in a past and future that don't exist as anything other than unfulfilled imagination, yearning for what I don't have and believing that material wealth and better health are the key to my happiness, left out, isolated, unhappy, trying my best to get the things that I want and often failing and feeling like a failure. I begin to believe that I cannot harness this "secret" and end up with the same life that I started with in the first place, with or without material success. Who would I be without believing that there is "the secret?" Loving life, being "the obvious," rather than being the secretive.

There is a secret? Now it's time to look for the turnarounds that are as true or truer for you, dear Parlor family. The one-liner is "There is a secret." What turnarounds do you see and are willing to share with us? Post your comments below, at the end of this post.

If I believe it and cannot find it, see it, bring it in as fact, then I cannot prove it to "myself" in this world. There is nothing that isn't manifested by mind, everything is as we see it, and that isn't much of a secret. It is only when time and ownership of "things" (and body is also a thing) are misunderstood that you attempt to dictate and manipulate these two factors (time and ownership).

The secret is that wanting what I don't have leaves me wanting what I don't have again when I have what I thought I wanted then. I don't need to map out a plan for the future, and I would if it made sense to me or if I needed to, but I would have to distrust the nature of the universe and myself first, and I trust "myself" totally without question to love all of life. There is never a limit as to what to do now, as what "I do" is what we all get, and it accumulates because I don't argue, I follow the simple directions that are always kind. I don't do later what I am to do now, and no one does. Later is now.

The secret is to love what is. I love what is because this "what is" right now is all that is and all that ever will be! Right now, not later, all my needs are met, all my desires, my wants are visibly in plain sight and my eyes are open to it, and the feeling is love and gratitude for all that is right now at my beck and call without beckoning or calling or having even asked for it, prayed for it, planned for it.

I didn't see Oprah's show hosting the Secret guests, I was traveling, but I have heard from others that they more or less ended the show with two, maybe three, of the Secret guests showing their prior plans and desires, wishes, wants, imagining, imaging, making real in their minds whatever it took to "manifest" themselves as guests on the Oprah show and that is why it worked. There may be millions of people doing the same thing, just wanting to meet Oprah in person. They may really want to meet her with all their heart, and it isn't enough. This could easily move into despairing thoughts such as "It doesn't work for me, I'm doing it wrong," and for some of you that I have met on the book tour, this opens the door to "I created my own cancer," "What did I do to create this cancer?" "If I knew what I did to create my cancer I could uncreate it, and if I can do that it means that I never have to suffer again. I must know the secret or suffer and die unnecessarily," "I am going to die if I don't know the Secret; after all, the doctors say they can't save me. What did I do to create this in me?"

True creation is like this: There is no cancer until the doctor tells someone that they have cancer and then until they believe it they can't have it. If they have never heard of cancer before, they must first be taught that it exists, and then they can believe that they have it, and that must be taught too. If they don't believe it from the doctor, then the family has to teach them. We teach them to have it and then we teach them to try and get rid of it, and if they can't, then they die. We have to teach them that they live first, though. If we haven't been taught, how can we believe? And we ourselves create "it" (cancer, everything) the moment we believe. All the evidence shows that it's true, and that is how the belief is held in place. The mind goes from nothing to crazy with fear (really crazy, sometimes). This is the way people create, reinforce, and maintain their beliefs: "I am going to die, they can't save me, my children can't make it without me, God is punishing me, I don't know how to unmanifest my cancer," on and on. When the phone rings and it is someone you love talking to, you are laughing, talking, enjoying life in that moment: where is the cancer in that moment? Do you have cancer or are you absolutely cancer-free in that moment? Of course, we are absolutely cancer-free until the mind brings back the unquestioned cancer story into reality. I use the term "absolutely" on purpose. The mind creates who and what we are when we believe our thoughts and experience the concepts, feelings, and images in our heads in the moment. This isn't right or wrong, it is just so in the moment we believe what we seem to be experiencing as our identity.

In my world, cancer has a right to live or die. Everything has a right to life and death, because I know what everything is, and its true nature. If "I" have cancer, that is my identity (that is who mind identifies me as) and as that identity, I may choose to have chemotherapy, do alternative medical practices, medical practices, change my diet, think positively, even though we continue to believe the "negative" unquestioned thoughts, the opposites of what we want to believe, even though we don't want to believe them. We believe them until we don't, and inquiry breaks the spell of "negative" thoughts and therefore what we negatively feel and believe. The negative thoughts, unless we question them, override the positive thoughts that we want to believe, and negative thoughts win out, and the positive thoughts are just powerful and ring true enough to make us feel better occasionally. They don't work when we really are believing the stressful ones, the one that we don't want to believe: "I have cancer, I'm going to die, they can't heal me, my condition is hopeless, it's not fair, I have created this," etc. With or without cancer, my life is what it is, and I am grateful for that. With or without cancer, I am still sitting in this chair writing to you, and there are two ways to sit here. One is happy, and the other is stressed out.

I look forward to the turnarounds and examples from you, dear family. I want everyone to come to understand what so many of you are coming to understand about the ease of internal life. Please share your secret thoughts with all of us.

Loving you all,
kt

hi zahidbd,

Thanks for your post. One of my first post here was how the secret perpetuates the illusion that we are in control (and we can control the universe via out vibrtions/feelings) and I got punded on. lol.

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Wow.

This will take some time to set in but these were some of the thoughts that I was having.

I create the cancer with my mind once I believe I have it.

Just like I create the sense of lack in my mind once I believe that I am lacking something.

Then I try to fill the precieved lack or cure the cancer by wishing myself to health or wishing for a diamond ring. Instead of just unbelieving in the cancer or the lacking.

Is that what you are saying?

I didn't watch show either but I knew that they would be covering the Secret Success Stories which is what made me write the orginal post.

Hi zahid/Stephen? Could you please explain your post above. I am really interested in this thread and I am not really sure what yur particular post is saying. Did you write to Katie? Was that her answer?? And if so, could you explain it? Sorry, but I'm trying to follow it but I don't.

If the poster is not around, can anyone else who has been following this thread help me out? I have a good friend with cancer and I am trying to understand what this post says kt is saying about cancer, but I find it a bit obscure. Also, does Katie answer questions somewhere on the net and is that what is meant by the Parlour which is referred to in this post???

I have read and seen Katie Byron and I am trying to put it all together in my head with The Secret and ANE.

I am interested in this discussion on Law of Attraction in view of ANE and if anyone can shed some light on zahiidabd's post, I would really be grateful. xx

Hi, Re: Law of attraction/Secret...... I have read Esther Hicks.... books.....audio books etc..... I have seen the Secret with and without Esther Hicks.... It did appeal to me in the begining....

I have been reading ANE and byron katie at the same time..... Gradually Law Of Attraction and esther hicks/Secret..... just lost its significance..... in me...

Peace

zahid

"True creation is like this: There is no cancer until the doctor tells someone that they have cancer and then until they believe it they can't have it. If they have never heard of cancer before, they must first be taught that it exists, and then they can believe that they have it, and that must be taught too. If they don't believe it from the doctor, then the family has to teach them. We teach them to have it and then we teach them to try and get rid of it, and if they can't, then they die. We have to teach them that they live first, though. If we haven't been taught, how can we believe? And we ourselves create "it" (cancer, everything) the moment we believe. All the evidence shows that it's true, and that is how the belief is held in place. The mind goes from nothing to crazy with fear (really crazy, sometimes). This is the way people create, reinforce, and maintain their beliefs: "I am going to die, they can't save me, my children can't make it without me, God is punishing me, I don't know how to unmanifest my cancer," on and on. When the phone rings and it is someone you love talking to, you are laughing, talking, enjoying life in that moment: where is the cancer in that moment? Do you have cancer or are you absolutely cancer-free in that moment? Of course, we are absolutely cancer-free until the mind brings back the unquestioned cancer story into reality. I use the term "absolutely" on purpose. The mind creates who and what we are when we believe our thoughts and experience the concepts, feelings, and images in our heads in the moment. This isn't right or wrong, it is just so in the moment we believe what we seem to be experiencing as our identity."

Well, I would have to say I have never heard such twaddle. There is no cancer until we are told we have cancer...does that sound reasonable to anyone...I mean honestly? Ummm....I think that the day before the diagnosis the cancer existed, hence the diagnosis....duh. So, let's suppose someone has cancer unknowingly, has not been diagnosed....has never been told they have cancer...do they suddenly go into remission and survive because they do not know they have it and therefore give it no thought? No, they do not...they probably get so bad that they die from it, unless they get lucky. So it is not about believing one has cancer. You either have it or you don't. Plenty of people are really positive, but still get these diseases. We don't create it...sigh. Possibly because of repressed emotions the field is prepared for cancer to occur...possibly...but we don't create it by believing we have it...dear god.

When the phone rings and it is someone you love talking to, you are laughing, talking, enjoying life in that moment: where is the cancer in that moment? Do you have cancer or are you absolutely cancer-free in that moment? Of course, we are absolutely cancer-free until the mind brings back the unquestioned cancer story into reality.

Ok, tell that to someone who is in torment from the pain of a cancer...will they be laughing, happy, enjoying life in the moment....total fantasy thinking. If you are doubled over in pain I defy you to have a wonderful, carefree conversation with someone....feeling cancer free. This is a woman that was lying on the floor, probably seriously medicated, in the grip of a total mental breakdown. Does that necessarily mean her every word is sane now....I doubt it. Although some of what she says may be useful...I find this stuff to be total nonsense.

I don't know if you'll ever read this because there are like a zillion replys. Here's my take. Saying that you wanting something takes away from someone else tells the universe that there is lack in the world. There is not lack. There is just an imbalance of wealth. I believe God wants us to realize who we are and to shape our lives in abundant means if it is acquired with an enlightened state of being. Would you condemn Oprah for having stuff? I know that when my vision board has manifested, I will use what I have for only good in the world. For example. I have a picture of Jesus on it. This signifies the consciousness I look to awaken. I have my idea of a wonderful wife and home. I have great teachers of the past who I admire and am beginning to teach people myself from what I have learned. Sure I also have a few 'goodies' that I believe will make life fun and there's nothing wrong with that. Because I see it from an enlightened point of view, I know that I will be in a great place even in an environment free of financial worry. It's funny how people make you want to feel guilty for having money. Imagine the good people would do if they didn't have to work 60 hours a week. Imagine if every abundant being also had a higher level of consciousness. Money would take on a whole new meaning. The day will come..