The scriptures overwhelmingly gives fact, that Christ is not "TRIUNE".. Research into "Triune" or "Trinity", will give you evidence on where those roots come from.. We are all entitled to our view of course...

Peace

~Ruth

1. Ruth I know about angels - I have what I believe to be first hand experience with angels - one was a near death experience. Of course they did not say they were angels and I must admit it was my assumption that¿s who they were. I also know angels are mentioned many places in the Bible. My question actually is how do you know that the sons of god mentioned in Genesis were/are angels? Is there a reference explaining actually stating that they were angels or is that personal opinion based on other passages? Jude 6, Isaiah 6:2,6 do not explain that to me as they make no reference to the sons of god. (Please be aware that I am not saying what I believe about whether they were or not.) How do you know that Ezekiel 28:13-17 is talking about Satan? I did not find the word Satan there. Is that a deduction based on other passages? I would sincerely like to know where those concepts originated. Thanks for your efforts & for your patience with my questions!

melshop First, let me say how much I appreciate your earnest exploration in searching your path! I certainly appreciate your willingness to share your findings with all of us! I have not had the time to read your sources as yet. But for the sake of discussion you have spoken of many things I had not yet considered myself. I always appreciate hearing about where concepts originate. How I use that is to take it out & try it on and if it fits with the Voice for Christ then I use it.

mornglow I agree that trinity is a difficult topic to explain. My own concept of it is that the sum total of everything in the universe & beyond = God. That since the pieces of the universe and beyond are just that, pieces, they remain only pieces of God. Because they are part of God, they are all holy but the whole (God, Creator, First Cause, Universe, I Am that I Am or any other name that refers to the whole) is greater than the sum of its parts. I believe that the son refers to the Christ consciousness and the Holy Ghost or Spirit is the great comforter Jesus promised to leave those of us who had ears to hear him to help us remember who we are & why we are here.

Nancy thanks for joining us! I appreciate it more than you know! Am I understanding you to say that your interpretation of the passage in Genesis 6 is that God always was and always will be and since you believe Jesus and Holy Spirit are identical to God it follows that Jesus was never created by the Father God? You said ¿The Bible states that God had no beginning and he has no end, this applies to the Godhead..Father Son, Holy Spirit.¿ Do you know the specific scripture that states that or is that a concept based on your personal interpretation - a conclusion drawn from other passages?
Thanks for helping us make some headway in our understanding.

Ruth you bet, we are all entitled to our own interpretations & views!!! Where did you research Triune & Trinity? Once again, the reason I keep asking for specific references is to help me understand why someone might draw the conclusion they did and why it is a different conclusion than I make and why I think that is OK for both of us.
May we all continually be aware of the many ways God is blessing us all the time! Peace, Joy, Love & Light MC

Is Jesus Christ, the "Son Of God"? Matthew 3:17..He is the Messiah? 1 Thessalonians 4:16.. Matthew 21:42, check reference to "Chief" and "Arch'.. If He is the one, why wouldn't the other's be? You have to use logic and reason.. Job 1:6.. Who else could it be talking about? This is where a "Son of god" is righteous... If it is in Heaven where God is, who is there?

Satan is a "Title"..meaning resister.He lost his name when He and other Angels lost their position..It's like they are already dead. I know that seems harsh but that is the judgement that they have brought on themselves..

John 8:44.. Who is the Originator of the first one to do it? Who was in Eden at the time of the deception to Eve and told her the first lie? Genesis 3:1-5.. Does it mention any other Angels or Title's in this way except for this one? What is the prophecy in reference to at Genesis 3:15.?

This is the best that I can do.. Doing research on the matter and asking God for help on the matter will help you.. There are many cross references in regards to those scriptures..

Peace

~Ruth

I am a little bit behind on this one, but in my study of Genesis chapter 6, where the term "sons of God" found the daughters of men beatuiful and took them for wives, we have now found that these "sons of God" may have been "prehistoric" man. There are , in the earlier jewish historical writings, new finds that lead some to believe that the "sons of God"(prehistoric man) are better translated as "those created without souls". Now theres some food for thought. So these "sons of God" had babies with the daughters of man, and had giant babies called the Nephilim. How do you like that?? Intersting. huh???

God said, Let US make man is OUR image and OUR likeness..He was not talking to Angel's because the Bible doesn't state we were created in their image or likeness. When studying the scriptures keep special attention to Three's

But There is ONE GOD, not three Gods, It's a mystery that God is such a unique being that he is a plurality...

GOOD PERFECT ACCEPTABLE, will of God..

Concerning fruit some, 30, 60, 90 fold

And a real good one, God is the same, today, yesterday and forever.

Satan comes to ...kill steal and destroy

your enemy , the world, the flesh, and the devil

And the wonder of it all is many passages are structured in such a way have three sentences interwoven..

Here is something that God gave me that blesses me so much...

Abraham, Isaac and Jacob

Jacob had 12 sons who are the 12 tribes Of Israel

From these 12 they envied their Brother and sought to slay him but sold him, Joseph was sent to Egypt

Jesus had 12 disciples

One that Jesus loved ( which was John)

One that Joseph loved was Benjamin

Jesus spoke of the cup of the new covenant

Joseph hid a cup in Benjamin bag

Jesus bloody garment was tore off him

Joseph's coat was removed and the blood ( OF an animal) was smeared on to let his Father see that he was killed from a beast.

So many things about Joseph are a typology of Jesus and the wonder of it all is God called Joseph in a dream to take Mary as his wife for she had conceived, that which was from The holy spirit .

Joseph in the old Testament also had many dreams. And I think It's neat that Jesus' step father was named Joseph.

There is a trinity of Joseph

Joseph one sold by his brothers, .......Joseph the step father of Jesus, ........Joseph of aromatherapy.

Like wise 3 Mary's .....Mary the Lord's Mother,....... Mary of Bethany, ........Mary Magdalene.

There were actually 5 Mary's but 3 main ones...

5 being the 5 wise virgins....

I can go on and on and on with this stuff that God has shown me, Sometime it gets overwhelming so I take a break..

This is proof Of the inspired word of God, No man could write such a book, God word is true that he used men by inspiration. It is truely a treasure.

Thanks to all who have replied. I hope that those of you reading through this thread have noticed that the beliefs of each are based on their own path's interpretation not only of the various Bible translations but their own understanding of those interpretations. There appears to be a vast array of perspectives all based on various interpretations of the same words. I have a problem with "ONLY" when it comes to faith. In the KJV of Mark 4:11: "And he said unto them, Unto you it is given to know the mystery of the kingdom of God: but unto them that are without, all these things are done in parables" If as has been suggested on this board, the Bible is the inspired word of God and every word of the Bible must be taken literally to be correct can you explain what this means to you? Thanks PJLL MC

AH, The story of the scatterd seed. Jesus had just finished telling stories (parables) to a great many of people. He was telling them about a farmer that scatterd seed all around. Some of the seed grew because it was in fertile soil, some grew up among weeds but was eventually overtaken, and some seed sprouted but didn't take root. It's about all the seed that he scatterd as much as any other point to be taken here. On down to the verse at hand: In my studies, I have come to understand this verse is Jesus talking to his friends/disciples (his best friends that he loved like brothers). He is saying here are the keys to the kingdom, here is how it works. Some can see it now, some won't see it untill later because they choose not to. He goes on to say about the stories he tells or parables that they all work the same way. But if you don't want to receive it you won't.

Hi again Agtstar, Thanks for your interest in getting to the heart of the matter. Some interesting things became obvious to me when I did a word search in KJV for " ears" If you read a bit before and after each one see what you notice. I think you will also find it interesting. I love to learn more and more about the words attributed to Jesus in the Bible. It seems that if one desires to lead a Christian life it makes sense to know what he said about things. Does that make sense to you? PJLL MC

I think it is great that you want to do such deep research! It will help us all learn.

Melshop1

I agree and actually, this is what I have been wanting to get at all along, with those who do choose to study. thank you. I will check out the "ears".

The sons of God mentioned in the OT are all the Hebrew men who knew to Go to God; as a Group and ask for stuff. One of my favorite parts is in Job when the Sons of Men presented themselves before GOD and Satan came also. (Notice it does not say Satan is a Son or Angel; but just that when they went before GOD Satan was there also. Then GOD talks directly to Satan asking; Where have you been; long time no see...etc. Then GOD goats Satan into attacking Job.

I received my vision in 1995 a couple of months before; the 1st Black Million Man March. I was very upselt and shocked that Christian Men didnt Stand with Minister Farrakah, as the Son of Father's Abraham or Sons of GOD, because I perceived; this is Just Like what the Bible was talking about in Job.

I agree Satan aka the Anti Christ is a Title; is a Person, and Has A God Given Government Job, just as the persona of Jesus Christ is a Title; the Son of the Most High God, but because I believe Jesus and Satan are total opposites; I think Satan is actually the Daughter of GOD or GOD's Evil and Lunatic (moon like) Angelic child allowed to get away with murder.

I believe Isa. 45:6-7 Confirms this when GOD said ""That They (us) may know from the rising of the sun, and from the west, that there is NONE beside me, I am the LORD, and there is NONE else. I form the light, and create darkness; I make peace, and create Evil; I the LORD do All these things. "

This is before Jesus was formed in Mary's womb, but this Birth was planned, foretold; and prophetized by GOD when GOD spoke to Eve in Gen. 3:15 "And I will put enmity between thee and the Woman; and Between thy seed and Her seed; it shall bruise thy head and though shalt bruise his heel"

I believe the two Nations in One womb can be seen with my XyXX theory. If you replace the y with a 6 which stands for the number of Man and the center X by they y as a 9 i.e. X69X you can see that This GOD is actually a GODDESS XX, and the VIRGIN MARY WAS A HOLY HOSTESS.

Hi escapgoat! Hate to say this but you lost me. For clarification are you saying the sons of God and the sons of men refer to the same Hebrew group? If so, could you help me understand how you arrived at this conclusion? I also noticed that when Satan first appeared in the OT it didn't explain who he was and everyplace else I have found so far requires one to make that deduction vs. it being stated directly. Is it stated directly somewhere that Satan was an Angel? I feel certain you will get some flack on Satan being a "daughter" & being the oposite of Jesus! Please share how you reached that conclusion. That's one I have never encountered before. I think maybe we all need to go back & read Isa. 45:6-7 again. Where do you find the exact scripture that foretelling tha is used to deduce that Jesus is the one fulfilling and that Jesus said he was fulfilling? What do you mean the two nations in one womb? Where did you find that the number of man is 6? Sorry, but I have no idea what your last sentence means. Does anyone else? Peace, Joy, Love & Light MC

Incorrect.. They are Angels that existed before Man did.. This is in Heaven. Which Hebrew's was it talking about in regards to this scripture? How many "Men" has God called his son's? Something to research and ponder on.. Satan I doubt very much spoke to "God Almighty". It was probably through the " Only begotten son"...

You need to check your vision and see if it is from the "Bible"? Abraham is a Father to the "seed", the christ in human terms, although pre-existing.. Abraham's lineage, gave him privilege of the christ and offspring to nations, or a "Spiritual Jew"..

No gender except the "Male" one is mentioned. This is for the purpose that "Man" holds privilege and was created, first.. It has to do with "Theocratic order"..

I suggest you check the "Concordance and various translations for more detail about this scripture.. It just means that He is the creator, there is no one else like him. That is what "besides" means.. There is no equal or anyone "abreast" of him, He is it...

I agree, this is about the "Christ", but about an "order", from his father that will annhilate Satan.. Satan has a temporary "Sting", with the Christ, being killed, but the Father resurrecting him.. Jesus will deal Satan a permanent blow, or Death.

How is this scriptual? If this is not in scripture, then you will have to check your "Spirit" and where you are receiving your information?

May peace find you

~Ruth

I think some people need to get their zzz's first before they start with the xxxx's and yyyy's

seriously.

Thanks for your thoughts ruth & jgrows. I feel relieved that I am not just being dense. I find it very frustrating when I don¿t see how someone draws the conclusions they do. I really do want to truly understand where concepts originated.--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- I am aware that in your ISA.456-7 reference, Ruth, it says ¿NONE beside me.¿ Do you think that means the same as None besides me? Also, if the Genisis 1:26 ¿ 26: And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth. 27: So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them.¿ Ok so why did God say our image and our likeness? Does anyone think that when God said he made man in his own image that he meant that God has both male & female aspects and so does human kind? PJLL MC