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When Eckhart Got Angry...

Posted on Jun 7, 2008 10:02 PM

I still think about the question that Oprah poised to Eckhart during the Webcasts about anger. Remember, she asked him if he ever got angry. He replied that a few years ago he witnessed someone doing harm to an animal and he became angry and was about to intervene but someone else beat him to it. Oprah, unfortunately did not pursue the topic much further. Was Eckhart just pointing out that even those who are "aware" are just human? Was he implying that anger directed in the right way is very useful and not necessarily a part of the ego?

I have to admit that I was, and probably still am, a little bemused by his response. I thought to myself....Hmmm, I love animals and would be quite upset myself but is that the only time he has been angry in the last 5 or 6 years? What about all the evidence ( which has been increasing and increasing with each passing second) that the world was lied to about the reasons for invading Iraq? Something that has caused thousands and thousands of completely innocent lives to be lost....and so much physical and mental pain. Should we be angry about this? Is Eckhart angry about this?

Shouldn't our anger transform us? Shouldn't we be marching and protesting in the streets? Isn't this part of changing the world and bringing about A New Earth?

I sure would like to hear some of your thoughts on this...

Namaste

Replies: 112
31. Re: When Eckhart Got Angry...
Jun 8, 2008 10:33 AM   |   In response to: artsoul3

I believe that we mistake Jesus being angry for his speaking in authority. Even Paul spoke with authority and is said to be angry. God gives those that are his authority. If indeed the bible God's written inspired word then they spoke according to how he would have. Shouldn't mistake anger for words of authority.

32. Re: When Eckhart Got Angry...
Jun 8, 2008 10:51 AM   |   In response to: mornglow

The tipping up of tables was not authoratative words....

Nothing would have ever been achieved without anger. Just the word makes everyone scared. Controlled anger is a wonderful force of energy which drives one on. The ridiculous controlling, and yet out of control anger is of course not something good. There is a huge difference between controlling a force and using that energy and with being controlled by that energy and therefore being out of control. And supressing that energy just does the opposite and makes one immobile. Anger like every other emotion has it's place.

There are too few words to describe any of the emotions. Some bandy the word love around like confetti, but they are not feeling love at all. Time to get real.

33. Re: When Eckhart Got Angry...
Jun 8, 2008 11:02 AM   |   In response to: artsoul3

simply God gave Jesus authority to do as He would do to make a point. Jesus had all the emotions we have but he wasn't a slave to them.

34. Re: When Eckhart Got Angry...
Jun 8, 2008 11:02 AM   |   In response to: artsoul3

I do not find anything positive about anger.

35. Re: When Eckhart Got Angry...
Jun 8, 2008 11:06 AM   |   In response to: artsoul3

my third post to you..sorry.

I have to laugh when people throw around the word LOVE. All smiles and sloppy kisses. Love can be expressed through actions not words.

36. Re: When Eckhart Got Angry...
Jun 8, 2008 11:15 AM   |   In response to: mornglow


mornglow wrote:simply God gave Jesus authority to do as He would do to make a point. Jesus had all the emotions we have but he wasn't a slave to them.
Well there you go...that is not in disagreement with what I am saying....probably..lol So Jesus did not sit there doing nothing and just being the awareness did he? He was in the world so had to function in the world. He used an emotion to make a point apparently as you say with God's authority. So what's good for God or Jesus is not good for you? Nowhere did I say it was good to be a slave to emotion...but to use controlled anger to stop injustice or make a point....as Jesus did. I understand where you are coming from, as I cannot see the point and cannot tolerate out of control anger. But there is a massive difference between the two. We are in this world as humans, to be human, to have all these emotions. The point is not to deny them but to have mastery over them so that we do not hurt ourselves or others.

37. Re: When Eckhart Got Angry...
Jun 8, 2008 11:53 AM   |   In response to: dharmafan1

the only change that can occur on our part (as an individual) is within, this is the whole message of ANE and TPON. we don't bring about change by anger and protest, it's another form of ego to say that something is wrong. Humanity needs to awaken, not to what is wrong with our world, but to awaken to the source and power that we have within. There is the connection that brings about change, the power of Presence and BEing accordingly. Right action brings right results. We can't right a wrong by focusing on the wrong.
We focus on only what we can focus on which is our own journey. By focusing within, we bring more consciousness into this world, we bring more light, more radiant energy. We are in this collective state of insanity (as Eckhart says) precisely because of our failure to focus within and bringing it forth into manifestation.
When we focus on the past or future, we are no longer present. We have lost our power.
Everything is as it is, but beyond it is our power to change, which is Presence, remaining in the now. We can't allow the noise of the world to distract us from the only manner of positive change which is this present moment.
love~light~
murielle7 :x

38. Re: When Eckhart Got Angry...
Jun 8, 2008 11:59 AM   |   In response to: artsoul3

I will say it one more time. There is nothing positive about anger.

39. Re: When Eckhart Got Angry...
Jun 8, 2008 12:03 PM   |   In response to: mornglow

I will give you an example. There is anger in me as I recognize it in it's most subtle form. I am homeopathically treated and issues are arising in me from the past. As these remedies work through layers--I am probably about age 5 right now. The only positive in this situation is I recognize the anger and now I can work through it. How I chose to work through it is the key.

40. Re: When Eckhart Got Angry...
Jun 8, 2008 12:08 PM   |   In response to: mornglow

Go on...say it again ;)

41. Re: When Eckhart Got Angry...
Jun 8, 2008 12:29 PM   |   In response to: murielle7


murielle7 wrote:
the only change that can occur on our part (as an individual) is within, this is the whole message of ANE and TPON. we don't bring about change by anger and protest, it's another form of ego to say that something is wrong. Humanity needs to awaken, not to what is wrong with our world, but to awaken to the source and power that we have within. There is the connection that brings about change, the power of Presence and BEing accordingly. Right action brings right results. We can't right a wrong by focusing on the wrong.
We focus on only what we can focus on which is our own journey. By focusing within, we bring more consciousness into this world, we bring more light, more radiant energy. We are in this collective state of insanity (as Eckhart says) precisely because of our failure to focus within and bringing it forth into manifestation.
When we focus on the past or future, we are no longer present. We have lost our power.
Everything is as it is, but beyond it is our power to change, which is Presence, remaining in the now. We can't allow the noise of the world to distract us from the only manner of positive change which is this present moment.
love~light~
murielle7 :x

Ok, little example. I was at work one day...perfectly happy. I looked out of the window and saw two tramps, one was beating the other up mercilessly. So, should I have said 'the world is perfect as it is'. Should I have thought 'this is my inner stuff manifesting in the outside world' and just watched it unfold? For starters it was nothing to do with my inner world. There are 6 billion other souls living their own realities too and they impinge on all our realities. What was the right thing to do? Should I have been present to the moment and done nothing? Or should I have opened the window and yelled so loudly that it startled the aggressive tramp so much that he stopped beating the other man and peace was restored instantly. Obviously it was the latter that I did. And if I had done nothing I feel I would have been totally wrong and uncaring. So by not ignoring what was happening in the world actually brought about positive change. That is my problem with this book. You can do inner work without ignoring the outer world. If it's an opt out from decent interaction and responses that people will choose then it is just plain wrong in my opinion. And that is the biggest problem in the world. That people do not intervene as they are scared of the consequences. They do not protest at wrong policies from their leaders out of fear. And yet it takes only a small number to actually effect change. The war in Iraq just would not have happened if 2 or 3 million people had taken to the streets. So actually it is by the consent of inaction that wars are allowed to happen.

So, ok I can accept that in the bigger picture everything is happening as it should happen for the level of consciousness the mass of people is in, and that very, very slowly consciousness may change. But nobody ever said that we cannot speed it up. I think that exactly because everyone is in their own little worlds and cares little about anyone else that the world is allowed to stay in the state it is in.

42. Re: When Eckhart Got Angry...
Jun 8, 2008 12:57 PM   |   In response to: artsoul3

artsoul
it's not that people are in their own little world if you're referring to someone who is BEing present in the moment. There is a high degree of alertness when someone is truly present. Right action emanates from consciousness, it comes out into the world of form. Whatever emanates from that place of presence is the right action for that moment.
Jesus's words and actions came from that place of Presence. Consciousness is a force, it's not an emotion. It's an energy. We have blocked this consciousness because we are too caught up in emotions, distractions from ego telling us what to do or what not to do.
We simply have to learn how to be in this presence, it's not that this makes us indifferent to the worlds affairs. It places us in that space of peaceful presence. Then we act from that space. It doesn't mean every move we make and every word we speak is peaceful or perhaps what I want to say is 'appears or sounds peaceful.' It means we live from that place of BEing, that source energizes us.
murielle :8}

43. Re: When Eckhart Got Angry...
Jun 8, 2008 1:12 PM   |   In response to: artsoul3

Im gonna kick your butt...]:)

We are in so many ways saying the same thing.

44. Re: When Eckhart Got Angry...
Jun 8, 2008 1:17 PM   |   In response to: mornglow


mornglow