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FUR....grrrrrr

Posted on Feb 20, 2008

After seeing Oprah's show today I thought I might splurge and purchase a Brooks Brothers' white fitted stretch shirt.
After navigating their websight I discovered they were selling apparel with FUR.....
Should we support a company that glamourizes and makes a profit on the misery of the "voiceless" animals we
share this world with.
Am I the only Oprah member that feels we should NOT ???
If I get boooo'd off this website for my opinions, I will gladly leave.
Replies: 51
31. Re: FUR....grrrrrr
Mar 8, 2008 12:23 AM In response to: jwb52z1

i don't know if this is worth saying....
or would even mean anything to certain "Christian" bloggers...

The Judeo/Christian church has suppressed a LOT about the life of Jesus...
that between the time of his bar mitzva and his ministry at 30,
he had been studying, as all future Rabbi's do,...he in the East.
He studied with the Zoarastrians, the Jain's, the Hindu's, and eventually...
the Buddhist's.

Jesus was teaching the "dharma" of non-violence and COMPASSION for all
creatures...which is why he overturned the tables of the "money changers"
at the Temple....the money was meant to buy animals for SACRIFICE at
the Temple.
If you read the teachings of the BUDDHA (enlightened one) who lived
500 years before Jesus, you will see the teachings are the same.
Jesus practiced MEDITATION along with his other disciples.
He was repeatedly repelled by the Priests of the different religions....
because he taught equality to the lay people....and that you
only need to look within to find God/Spirit....
...not believe in any particular religion.
He believed in the goodness that resides in the core of every
creature.

The Buddha (and Jesus) taught us about suffering.....
1. That suffering occurs.
2. The cause of suffering is craving.
(what you desire has a price, often painful in some way)
3. The possibility for ending suffering exists.
4. The cessation of suffering can be attained through the
eightfold path (like the Ten Commandments)....

What part of "thou shall not kill" is unclear to some bloggers.
It was clear to the Buddha AND Jesus...
They BOTH taught COMPASSION for ALL creatures

There are no "supreme beings"...no white man in the sky
"judgeing" earthlings or telling them what to do.....
or giving them "special" privileges over other creatures.
We ARE responsible for our own destinies....
...and we do NOT have the right to deny others their life.

32. Re: FUR....grrrrrr
Mar 10, 2008 3:20 PM In response to: 1drmacat

1drmacat wrote:i don't know if this is worth saying....
or would even mean anything to certain "Christian" bloggers...

The Judeo/Christian church has suppressed a LOT about the life of Jesus...
that between the time of his bar mitzva and his ministry at 30,
he had been studying, as all future Rabbi's do,...he in the East.
He studied with the Zoarastrians, the Jain's, the Hindu's, and eventually...
the Buddhist's.

Jesus was teaching the "dharma" of non-violence and COMPASSION for all
creatures...which is why he overturned the tables of the "money changers"
at the Temple....the money was meant to buy animals for SACRIFICE at
the Temple.
If you read the teachings of the BUDDHA (enlightened one) who lived
500 years before Jesus, you will see the teachings are the same.
Jesus practiced MEDITATION along with his other disciples.
He was repeatedly repelled by the Priests of the different religions....
because he taught equality to the lay people....and that you
only need to look within to find God/Spirit....
...not believe in any particular religion.
He believed in the goodness that resides in the core of every
creature.

The Buddha (and Jesus) taught us about suffering.....
1. That suffering occurs.
2. The cause of suffering is craving.
(what you desire has a price, often painful in some way)
3. The possibility for ending suffering exists.
4. The cessation of suffering can be attained through the
eightfold path (like the Ten Commandments)....

What part of "thou shall not kill" is unclear to some bloggers.
It was clear to the Buddha AND Jesus...
They BOTH taught COMPASSION for ALL creatures

There are no "supreme beings"...no white man in the sky
"judgeing" earthlings or telling them what to do.....
or giving them "special" privileges over other creatures.
We ARE responsible for our own destinies....
...and we do NOT have the right to deny others their life.

Well said. It's a shame more people don't know this about Him. It would seem that when you really love someone as much as you want others to believe you do, you would make an effort to find out all you can about that person. There are so many resources on the net nowadays. All the original Aramaic writings are available for free on line. Why don't people take advantage of them and READ? Learn about Him and what He was trying to teach. If they did they would understand that He was teaching a cruelty-free lifestyle as the way to peace within, and without. Dialogue of the Saviour flat out talks about a vegan diet and fasting. It says that peace is impossible as long as a war is raging within your body.

I love Him and I detest that His name is taken in vain. To commit these crimes against nature and then use His name as a calling card in order to be accepted and liked by society is really disgusting to me. Love Him, love His family. And that includes what we label as animals. I guess the labeling helps people objectify and then kill them. I know it truly breaks His heart to see it. :(

33. Re: FUR....grrrrrr
Mar 10, 2008 3:22 PM In response to: jwb52z1

jwb52z1 wrote: I don't insult you directly, so you shouldn't do it to me.

You abuse friends of mine so it's the same thing as abusing me. I may not have met these people face to face yet, but any friend of the "animals" is a friend of mine. Try being kind and maybe you'll receive that in return.

34. Re: FUR....grrrrrr
Mar 10, 2008 3:25 PM In response to: 1drmacat

BTW, I was born on Buddha's birthday, May 10th. (Some believe it was April 10th though.) Coolness huh? I love that. :)

35. Re: FUR....grrrrrr
Mar 12, 2008 5:45 PM In response to: 1drmacat

1drmacat wrote:What part of "thou shall not kill" is unclear to some bloggers.
It was clear to the Buddha AND Jesus...
They BOTH taught COMPASSION for ALL creatures

There are no "supreme beings"...no white man in the sky
"judgeing" earthlings or telling them what to do.....
or giving them "special" privileges over other creatures.
We ARE responsible for our own destinies....
...and we do NOT have the right to deny others their life.
First of all, "thou shalt not kill" is talking about murdering other human beings, not killing in every concept. Second, I hope you realize that most of what you have said is anti-Biblical, but you probably do with your apparent detestation of Christianity as it exists. I do see that you realize we are responsible for ourselves and no one else, but I can't see why you still include "others" as having to be animals. Finally, if God is not the Supreme Being, I don't know what it would be correct to call God because he's in charge having created everything.

36. Re: FUR....grrrrrr
Mar 12, 2008 5:49 PM In response to: luna_tec

luna_tec wrote:
jwb52z1 wrote: I don't insult you directly, so you shouldn't do it to me.

You abuse friends of mine so it's the same thing as abusing me. I may not have met these people face to face yet, but any friend of the "animals" is a friend of mine. Try being kind and maybe you'll receive that in return.
Defending your friends is one thing, but I have a news flash for you, you're not them. They can defend themselves, but it is nice of you to care.

37. Re: FUR....grrrrrr
Mar 18, 2008 2:55 PM In response to: jwb52z1

jwb52z1 wrote: First of all, "thou shalt not kill" is talking about murdering other human beings, not killing in every concept. Second, I hope you realize that most of what you have said is anti-Biblical, ...

Actually the correct translation is thou shalt not murder. And it does include all sentient beings, including animals. Jeshua said He came to do away with sacrifice. He made Himself into the sacrificial lamb instead. Read the real Aramaic material and its correct translations. You'll see. The Bible has gone through many versions. Which one are you defending? The southern Baptist one from the 21st century? Jeshua never read that one. I don't think He was upholding it either. :)

38. Re: FUR....grrrrrr
Mar 18, 2008 4:14 PM In response to: luna_tec

This cruelty to animals situation is a huge concern for me, too. All of the eating them & wearing furs, etc. It would be helpful if Nature would lend a hand and our bodies did not crave meat. It would be helpful if our society supported a vegetarian lifestyle instead of the animal eating one...the fur wearing situation: has anyone notice how many prime time shows and stars are wearing furs now ? Why do the high fashion designers include fur ? Why is Mike Huckabee's favorite dish made of horse meat? Why are Europeans still importing horses for consumption from America after all of the hard work Willie Nelson and others did to shut down the slaughter houses here ? Why do cattle farmers slaughter wild horses for eating the grass they want for their cows ? Why do people abuse their pets, themselves, each other ? Thanks for listening everyone. These are some of the overwhelming things I wonder about. Of course I realize that all I can do is live the best life I can.

39. Re: FUR....grrrrrr
Mar 18, 2008 6:22 PM In response to: luna_tec

all any of us can do is live the best life we can and for some that means they just got to eat animals and wear them. I can't say that's right or wrong. how can i or anyone know that? we people are definitely made to want meat. if that wasn't true we wouldn't want it. plants are easier to catch and eat than animals so something inside us must really want that animal meat, right?

40. Re: FUR....grrrrrr
Mar 20, 2008 1:12 PM In response to: elsie287

elsie287 wrote:all any of us can do is live the best life we can and for some that means they just got to eat animals and wear them. I can't say that's right or wrong. how can i or anyone know that? we people are definitely made to want meat. if that wasn't true we wouldn't want it. plants are easier to catch and eat than animals so something inside us must really want that animal meat, right?

Child molesters crave children. Rapists crave women. Murderers crave blood. Heroin addicts crave heroin. Alcoholics crave alcohol. And the list goes on. Addiction to flesh is just an addiction. Totally overcomable (new word). If you have the sincere desire to overcome it.

What would love do? Love would feed the body the best nutrition possible. The flesh meat-eaters eat has no nutrition whatsoever other than what the animal got from plants. It clogs the heart. It adds excess weight to burden the organs. All things plants do not do.

Just because something has been done for thousands of years doesn't mean it's best to continue. The end of slavery, women's rights, even the internet -- all changes along the way of evolution. Evolution requires change. Even a seed has to change if it wants to grow and become a plant.

I'd ask myself, is it pro-life? Christ means life. The anti-Christ means anti-life. Are you life affirming or life denying when you choose to kill? I think it's pretty obvious what the answer is. Everything that goes into my body and my life has to pass the life test. Will this add to my life force or take away from it? Is this kind to all or not? Is this life-affirming or not?

41. Re: FUR....grrrrrr
Mar 20, 2008 1:30 PM In response to: love238

love238 wrote:This cruelty to animals situation is a huge concern for me, too. All of the eating them & wearing furs, etc. It would be helpful if Nature would lend a hand and our bodies did not crave meat. It would be helpful if our society supported a vegetarian lifestyle instead of the animal eating one...the fur wearing situation: has anyone notice how many prime time shows and stars are wearing furs now ? Why do the high fashion designers include fur ? Why is Mike Huckabee's favorite dish made of horse meat? Why are Europeans still importing horses for consumption from America after all of the hard work Willie Nelson and others did to shut down the slaughter houses here ? Why do cattle farmers slaughter wild horses for eating the grass they want for their cows ? Why do people abuse their pets, themselves, each other ? Thanks for listening everyone. These are some of the overwhelming things I wonder about. Of course I realize that all I can do is live the best life I can.

I don't know what's going on lately with the fur business. It's like we take 2 steps forward and 3 steps back. And horses slaughtered for their flesh is just horrifying to me. All animals have a right to live. I'll never understand the killing for vanity and pleasure viewpoint. I just write it off to mental illness. It reminds me of ancient Rome where people would be entertained by watching their fellow human beings being devoured by lions. It's a nightmare in a hellish existence. It certainly lacks love that's for sure. But I know that what goes around comes around. You can't escape the boomerang. Sad though isn't it?

42. Re: FUR....grrrrrr
Apr 4, 2008 12:36 PM In response to: luna_tec

Buddhist's practice non-violence (ahimsa) out of LOVE and COMPASSION
for ALL sentient beings.
They are "awake".....they know that what most people "believe" is "life"...
is really "Hell"....Dante's Inferno!
If you don't think so, look around...
people being "beheaded", animals "skinned alive", etc.
Buddhist's practice AHIMSA to make this "life" a KINDER and GENTLER
experience for ALL.
When each of us practices AHIMSA....
we are BUDDHAS...."enlightened beings"

43. UNDERSTAND The Truth
Apr 8, 2008 12:33 PM In response to: 1drmacat

John 3:6 Flesh gives birth to flesh, but the Spirit gives birth to spirit --- John 3:3 In reply Jesus declared, "I tell you the truth, no one can see the kingdom of God unless he is born again --- John 3:7 You should not be surprised at my saying, 'You must be born again.' -------- News Flash ------Being born again means accepting Jesus Christ as your Lord and Savior, not accepting yourself as “God” ---- Accepting yourself as “Christ” is not being born again. Note:::::: Matthew 24:4-5 Jesus answered: "Watch out that no one deceives you. For many will come in my name, claiming, 'I am the Christ,' and will deceive many.