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Jun 13, 2008 10:09 PM by
brumbyb
Confused between Tolle's message of letting go of things and "The Secret's" message to visualize anything we want
Mar 4, 2008 11:20 AM
Help! I can identify with Eckart Tolle's message of letting go and not identifying with the past and the things around us AND the WANT for more things...them not being "who" we are. But, in "The Secret" it continually prompts us to visualize and live and feel into reality anything we want...cars, homes, money, THINGS of all sizes, shapes and forms. Mr. Tolle reminds us not to identify with the form while the Secret bombards us with how to create the form and fill the WANT. For me, these are conflicting messages. Can anyone clarify these seemingly opposing viewpoints.
egoout 218 posts since Mar 2, 2008
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Re: Confused between Tolle's message of letting go of things and "The Secret's" message to visualize anything we want Mar 4, 2008 11:26 AM
Wanting and craving creates suffering. I've been listening to Eckhart for quite a while now on my iPod. I have less wrinkles! Go with Eckhart to have true wealth, the inner kind.
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Re: Confused between Tolle's message of letting go of things and "The Secret's" message to visualize anything we want Mar 4, 2008 11:26 AM
It's understandable that you are confused. It's because the books contradict each and they are not the truth. If "The Secret" worked then there would be no need for Tolle's book.
The Truth and Peace is only in through JESUS.
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Re: Confused between Tolle's message of letting go of things and "The Secret's" message to visualize anything we want Mar 4, 2008 11:32 AM
Love is the infinite source and also the ion. It is all that is within all matter. It is all that is within all non-matter. Now, if you look upon matter you will know that it is only a manifested reality of your own thoughts. These thoughts, will express and create the matter and your reality. The reality can be converted back to space. The space can be infiltrated with thoughts and created. It is back and forth this way. Matter non matter. All of the universe is constant in its continuous matter non matter cycle. However, the matter non matter cycle exists in only one moment and all time simultaneously. This simultaneous existence, gives and merges the ability of manifestation of matter and manifestation of non matter. Non matter is an essence of isness and space and no time. It is. It is very difficult to understand non matter and isness because matter manifestation bombards our senses. But non matter is the real essence of all. non matter is the all possibility. The everything. It at the same moment is no thing at all.
I wrote this, 4 years ago after meditation, and came across it yesterday. After 4 years I finally understand it myself.
alycam 28 posts since Mar 4, 2008
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Re: Confused between Tolle's message of letting go of things and "The Secret's" message to visualize anything we want Mar 4, 2008 11:32 AM

in response to: john14-6
O dear I disagree. Jesus is just one of many people (in and out of the bible) who got the "Secret".
I suggest those of you who want start making what you want. Start making your jewellery and clothing, your furniture, your window dressings, etc. All of it. Just start making and you too will find the "Secret" within you because the secret of having the Secret is you make it within you. YOU are the Creator of All that is within YOU.
OOPS, I just let the secret out. O well, such is life, now we have to get another secret.
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Re: Confused between Tolle's message of letting go of things and "The Secret's" message to visualize anything we want Mar 4, 2008 11:35 AM
Okay, here is my spin....
I actually think the two are very similar (The Secret and ANE). The biggest difference is that The Secret was marketing for the masses and it was assumed that materialism is the only thing that sells. Tolle, on the other hand, isn't afraid to go to what is deeper. I have seen aspects of the Secret work in my life, but not on the level of materialism and desire for "stuff." When you break it down, the two are very similar in essence....see, by being in the present and not labeling things good or bad, we create a vibrancy/frequency of peace and calmness and it is THAT feeling and frequency that goes into the world and therfore, comes back to us. Tolle mentions the need for things....we just have to not NEED (desire, our life will be ruined if we dont get it....etc.) things. We can prefer an outcome (the raise, the new car, etc.), but if we are attached to that outcome, then we suffer. If we are not attached, regardless of the outcome, we are still at peace and that will bring more of the same....eventually freeing us up to get the new car, etc. As long as it is kept in perspective.
Hope this makes sense...
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Re: Confused between Tolle's message of letting go of things and "The Secret's" message to visualize anything we want Mar 4, 2008 11:39 AM
That is a good question. From my perspective, what comes through our mind as a "desire" can often be what Spirit or Consciousness intends to do through us. The visualization and release work of the the Sedona method aloing with taking conscious guided action can help bring that intention to form.
Some of the "desires" do come form the ego. Check to see inside where it is coming from for you and then you will know whether to pursue the action or not.
Blessings,
Susan
akavar 5 posts since Mar 4, 2008
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Re: Confused between Tolle's message of letting go of things and "The Secret's" message to visualize anything we want Mar 4, 2008 11:42 AM

in response to: kcbala12
KCbala -
You said the secret word "attachment".
It is our attachments that keep us from being in the moment, perpetuate our fears, etc.
A wise man once told me to let go of anything that was an attachment. That meant possessions, thoughts, preferred outcomes, etc. Whatever I really needed would come back anyway. What did not come back was in effect baggage that I did not need.
It has taken many years to master this idea. I am completely there. However, I am much happier and see things more clearly than I did many years ago.
sankhya 11 posts since Nov 20, 2007
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Re: Confused between Tolle's message of letting go of things and "The Secret's" message to visualize anything we want Mar 4, 2008 11:44 AM
Great question, because I am confused about that, too. There are a few things from The Secret that are at odds with what Tolle says. For example, The Secret says "thoughts are things" and with your thoughts you can manifest your reality. Tolle basically says thoughts aren't things, they are our ego talking, which isn't our true self.
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Re: Confused between Tolle's message of letting go of things and "The Secret's" message to visualize anything we want Mar 4, 2008 11:49 AM

in response to: kcbala12
Agree totally - well said!
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Re: Confused between Tolle's message of letting go of things and "The Secret's" message to visualize anything we want Mar 4, 2008 11:51 AM
LETTING GO MEANS TO HAVE FAITH AND LET THINGS GO. YOUR EGO, AND PROBLEMS. HAND YOUR PROBLEMS OVER TO YOUR GOD. THE SECRET IS ABOUT HAVING THINGS WORK OUT. YOU WILL GET WHAT YOU NEED OR WANT IF YOU STOP TRYING SO HARD. JUST VISUALIZE-DREAM. YOU CAN WANT FOR NECCESSITY, FUN, OR COMFORT. NOT TO HAVE MORE FIT IN OR BE BETTER THAN THE JONES'
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Re: Confused between Tolle's message of letting go of things and "The Secret's" message to visualize anything we want Mar 4, 2008 12:04 PM
Neither of the books, or thoughts, are wrong, they just emphasize different human actions. We live a life of free-will. In our life we can choose what we want from this life. We can either choose to manifest possessions, or we can choose to focus on living an ego free life, or both! Tolle is providing valuable information on how to free ourselves from our ego and to open to what I call our "higher self". In doing so we are provided with the tools we need to make our life both fulfilling and productive. Being material people we often want to add to our collection of "stuff", thus "The Secret" provides the tools to do so. If we are able to stay in an ego free life with a huge collection of "stuff" we will have achieved what many people would believe to be the ultimate life; however, others who chose to life filled with "stuff" wouldn't be very impressed. Oprah is providing enlightenment to the masses, but what we do with it will always be our choice.
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Re: Confused between Tolle's message of letting go of things and "The Secret's" message to visualize anything we want Mar 4, 2008 12:14 PM

in response to: kcbala12
kcbala12 I think you got it right!!..Not need, but prefer. That's the word we are looking for. It's the same as I would like to have such in such, but I'm not going to get my hopes up. I really enjoyed last night's podcast. It's a lot to take in.
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Re: Confused between Tolle's message of letting go of things and "The Secret's" message to visualize anything we want Mar 4, 2008 12:15 PM

in response to: cagirl47
Ooops...what I meant to say was: "others who chose NOT to life filled with "stuff" wouldn't be very impressed. Sorry!!!
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Re: Confused between Tolle's message of letting go of things and "The Secret's" message to visualize anything we want Mar 4, 2008 12:23 PM

in response to: cagirl47
To be honest, I had the same confusion....Especially in the beginning of the podcast where it states let go of fear and desire. The Secret does teach us to visualize that which we want. So I too sat here thinking, if I don't have a goal set or a visualization in mind, I feel I'm without a compass of some sort and being complacent. However, I think if I focus on inner peace and solitude, and find some inner joy within rather than the hectic pace I feel all the time to push myself, if I'm still and find that "place" then my feelings will ooze from me, and create positive in my life bringing forth prosperity and abundance. If that makes any sense lol....
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