Eckhart Tolle is wrong...

Posted on Mar 2, 2008 3:24 AM

ok, he is right about some things but I wanted to get your attention to say this...Something is missing in this book and though "touched" on, without, nothing he says can be or would be worth "being"...I don't know about you but a "New Earth" without Love isn't going to bring enlightenment, awareness or any other mental state or soul/mind ascension into being/becoming more like the "one" we are with God and the universe (something I've always believed and lived for over thirty-five years)...without Love there is nothing..."think" all you want to but without a true heart and soul that lives and feels and loves from a place, within a place of knowing what we are all to each other, what we have been from the beginning and we are "one"...without Love nothing is possible...certainly not a New Earth, or one I would want to live in.

And give me a break we have to THINK...even in stillness, even in quiet...we are thinking and to me that is a great thing, can even be beautiful, ethereal...yes, we can reach mental states that will bring us closer to "one"...but not without thinking and again, certainly, not without Love...maybe we haven't been thinking right, maybe there is a way to attain Zen...but thinking is like breathing...we just do it...Yes, we need to think better but we cannot "not think"...granted we could all use many of the lessons from this book and others (thinking more positively to ourselves and toward others), but he says the same things many have said/written and we definitely need to think, collectively, differently, but you can't do anything without thinking...or perhaps he just made this book from being "aware" and it appeared on the pages...thinking/living from a true heart and soul are what will turn the tides and bring us together, bring us peace within ourselves and none of it will happen without coming from a place of Love...Love is the most powerful force in the universe because it is the universe and it is God and Jesus and Buddha and Allah...it is each one of us...Love is the underlying message and purpose...being aware of that is just as important as attaining Zen, or whatever...but Love is definitely more important to me.

And I have this problem with this book. First, he speaks as if he has spoken to God, himself, the Universe and he knows the way, the "only" way we will deliver ourselves from ourselves...he is one man, one opinion...yes, there have been others and yes, many of us know we have to start somewhere and perhaps his words are a good starting place but to write from the point of view that this is the only way...I doubt it...it may be a way but I doubt it is the only way or even the best way. We use 3% of our mental capabilities and I'm sure as we learn to harness the other 97% we will learn lessons that will bring us, humanity, closer to the being and of being one with the universe and perhaps he is a few points above some on the Mensa scale but really, how can he know anymore than any of us that have had the same questions, arrived at many of the same answers, been on the same journey...everything he said has been said, has been thought...and yes, we do need to hear the lessons, again and again...and we do need to open our minds but I think it is even more important to "open our hearts" and he failed miserably there...what good are we to each other without Love....give me that New Earth, where Love decides peace and not war, where we all take care of each other without question of worth but of humanity...where doing the right thing is a "given"...only Love will heal, nurture, prosper, create and make a "New Earth" for everyone..."think" about that...Shalom.
Replies: 82
16. Re: Eckhart Tolle is wrong...
Mar 2, 2008 10:02 AM   |   In response to: michael516

It simply pains me to see all these nasty JUDGEMENTAL comments about someone who has nothing but goodness to offer. When are we going to end this corrupt way of thinking??? If we are reading the book while our mind and thoughts are full of judgements, can we really, fully, and truly understand, or even hear for that matter, what is being said???

My experience tells me that if I'm criticizing and judging every word being spoken or written, I am not fully understanding.

17. Re: Eckhart Tolle is wrong...
Mar 2, 2008 10:30 AM   |   In response to: michael516

Well, read the book again and again and again. I know this much. If you are 'thnking' about being still, you are not very still. If you are 'thinking' about silence, you are not being silent, and if you are 'thinking' about love you are not loving. If you think he is wrong,, then you do not understand presence; And if you are 'thinking about presence you are not present. That's the absolute truth.

18. Re: Eckhart Tolle is wrong...
Mar 2, 2008 10:38 AM   |   In response to: michael516

Namaste

0- doesn't mean there is not Love - it's just not what people have made it out to be. You have every right to have an
opinion - and the me that generates opinions is the one stuck in dual mind. The me loves it's throne of opinions hahahahahaha.
But i can say that living within that same state of Consciousness that Tolle is pointing others towards there is more Love here
than was ever there within the mind of duality.

The Conscoiusness is within Stillness the first radiation is Love. This is the love that Christ pointed to in do unto others
as you would have them do unto you. 0-ne . OK -

So much thinking about the book without having direct experience is like trying to eat a paper cut out of ice cream and
thinking it's the same as the real deal. Well it's not.

Don't judge what you haven't experienced just because what you are reading isn't tallying with the way you feel it
should read.


Now on that note - time to move on as my time is limited on the boards today due to having Satsang to give this morning.

Maha Shanti OM


19. Re: Right...Wrong? IT ONLY MATTERS TO ONE PERSON!
Mar 2, 2008 10:44 AM   |   In response to: sparkledi

Well said!

20. Re: Eckhart Tolle is wrong...
Mar 2, 2008 11:04 AM   |   In response to: trpnstn1

That sounded very interesting! Is this Jungian psychology?

21. Re: Right...Wrong? IT ONLY MATTERS TO ONE PERSON!
Mar 2, 2008 11:16 AM   |   In response to: buzz1byme

Well spoken!

22. Re: Eckhart Tolle is wrong...
Mar 2, 2008 11:30 AM   |   In response to: michael516

Hi, I would respon but the mind police will not let anyone but the Oprah, Tolle, devotion to a false prophet mind police on these blogs. I was reading and responding to others last night, and now all the blogs of myself and others have vanished. I believe Oprah only wants "Positive" thoughts, with no questions asked. Kinda makes me wonder what everyone is so afraid of???????i could answer you but it is not allowed, or would you really like an explanation of what the problem is?

23. Re: Eckhart Tolle is wrong...
Mar 2, 2008 1:37 PM   |   In response to: trpnstn1



It is interesting,but not surprising to read the criticisms and reactions to this magnificent piece of literature, Eckhart Tolle's "A New Earth". The beauty of our existence, and our capabilities as humans to contemplate and debate is critical to our abilities to function and prosper. Your presumptions that the author only credits himself with the CONTENT of this knowledge as solely his own, is certainly not portrayed, nor does he identify himself as the only person enlightened or "awakened" now or in all of history. In this book, he references Jesus, Buddha, Zen teachers and other great masters of LOVE, knowledge and enlightenment. In actuality, Eckhart Tolle completely exemplifies that many have understood with certainty the abilities and and prospects of greatness in the " presence of consciousness". He does not profess to be a scientist, psychologist, or any other type of clinician. Hence, not trying to prove nor form any new theories.

What he does accomplish, with his simplicities and uniform dialogue, is an undeniable and eloquent context of verbiage and thought that is digestible and complete, only to that which he was trying to convey. Nothing more, and nothing less. Whereas, the commentary that you expound about the "Ego" is similar to what we all have read or experienced through traditional and conventional thinking about the Ego. What it seems you over analyze, is that he isn't speaking of the "ego" in it's entirety, but is commenting about the part of the ego which is counter to enlightenment and our abilities to love our own self and others, without judgement and criticisms. What Mr. Tolle brings forth in magnificent form . . . . is the truth about our real purpose, our true identities as humans and our abundant qualities that can be drawn from our source of God, but from our own innate, exemplary resources. Ahh, and he does it so superbly, without textbook complexities or even scientific testing. Your intellectual thoughts are certainly poignant, yet by far more difficult to follow and demonstrate, as these teachings have been around for many centuries. Accolades to Mr. Tolle and to Oprah for bringing forth an easier more common understanding to our own and collective understanding of true AWAKENING!

24. Re: Eckhart Tolle is wrong...
Mar 2, 2008 2:18 PM   |   In response to: michael516

I need to first say that I only glanced over your post ... it was just too long, bunch up, and kind of rambling ... just some feedback on that ... I also suspected that your title was a ploy.

With that said I am finding much truth in the ANE book ... but the doubters (many non-readers) will only get louder and more pronounced ...

I would also have to disagree with the previous poster ... I am finding that ANE is about both religion and spirituality ... Tolle's simply shows how to practice spirituality ...

25. Re: Eckhart Tolle is wrong...
Mar 2, 2008 2:43 PM   |   In response to: realager

This book is another way to find one's spirituality. Krishnamurti
used to say to NOT accept any gurus as absolute, including
him, and I would guess Tolle would say the same.

26. Re: Eckhart Tolle is wrong...
Mar 2, 2008 3:10 PM   |   In response to: 33peace

First, thank you all for your many comments and valuable insights, your help and your patience.....again, I only wrote Eckhart is wrong to draw attention to something I feel is missing in "this" search for enlightenment/awakening...I understand everything he said and will, as I have with others who have said basically the same thing, continue that journey for the Truth that is in me and to be a part of the collective "truth and awakening" that will contribute to a "New Earth", a better Earth, but what is missing is Love...to say it is between the lines, "maybe", but I believe we should make it a part of our awakening, come from that essence, make it a part of the makeup of who we are and expand on that to our better selves...and to say something is the "absolute truth" is impossible for any mortal to know...true, there is probably an absolute truth(s) but to say we know that now would be making a leap I don't think our 3% mental brain state can make or assume...can we use Eckhart's book as facilitator toward that truth...absolutely but, again, my point, is Love...and that is missing in this book...yes, he said God is Love but it was more of an afterthought kind of mention...I agree with almost everything he writes but again, even in being present and in silence...we are "thinking" it is impossible not to "maybe" it is on a higher level, far above our normal thoughts and being but we are still "thinking" and that "may be" awareness, enlightenment, too...and Love is something we are, it doesn't need thinking to initiate it, it should just be but I would ask this question...how do you know you are still, you are silent, you are present without the "thoughts" to know the difference between the distinctions and without "thinking" how would you ever know you are or you aren't?

27. Re: Eckhart Tolle is wrong...
Mar 2, 2008 3:11 PM   |   In response to: michael516

OK

I just want to get your attention too by saying you either........

1)have a very obscure concept of Love or

2) you too haven't even opened the book ANE.

ET is well know for NOT using the Love word loosely. You will find it there respectfully

I suspect if you were asked, you would agree "God is Love" right? Very catchy! said allll time time

ET would not say that because ...love requires duality...a doer and a receiver..God/Source is not dual it is One. He is very careful and Consciously so.


So if you get around to reading ANE you may find that it is Love from cover to cover and Love not just in 'Words' but more importantly Love in Action. It is Love treated with a very rare Quality....Respect.

28. Re: Eckhart Tolle is wrong...
Mar 2, 2008 3:20 PM   |   In response to: michael516

Michael I so appreciate your candidness and honesty and I think it's so important for more people to get out what bothers them about the book. Write it down and continue your journey. I appreciate where you are and as someone that has been in that same place, the book is merely a door that everyone will go through and find something different depending on where they are at in their journey. I think you will find that if you keep on your journey to discover what this "soul" thing is inside of us, you will re- read where you are now and slap your hand to your fore head and say "wow! Have I come a long way!" We peel back layers of ourselves throughout our life time and look back and find our perspective has completely changed! It's not a matter of Tolle being right or wrong it's what you are interpreting and how that will change that will be interesting.

29. Re: Eckhart Tolle is wrong...
Mar 2, 2008 3:35 PM   |   In response to: trpnstn1

i didn't get that the ego was "bad" from reading the book. I thought he said it was essential. he just wants people to be aware that it "is". Whether you want to label what he is talking about the "ego" or "false sense" doesn't really matter what you call it. The fact remains that it is there. What I think he is trying to do is make people become aware of it because most people are trapped in their own thoughts.

30. Re: Eckhart Tolle is wrong...
Mar 4, 2008 6:15 AM   |   In response to: trpnstn1

I really appreciate your comments because I'm reading the book and am also finding myself trying to grapple with these bigger questions (plus what I've learned before in studies of psychology).

My first question is: WHY do our souls need an "ego" in the first place? If our true selves encompass all that is, then why is it impossible to live/be in this world without an ego? What is it about this earth plane that requires each of us to have an ego?

Anyway, I'm only halfway through the book at this point.

It's a funny thing, and perhaps you'll all think this is very trite, but I swear my clearest path to spirituality and understanding the meaning of love for me is when I look into my dog's eyes. Everything I need to know...everything I need to understand is THERE. It is beyond all words. It just IS. My feelings are pure. There is no agenda in my love. Pure love. Perfection. Knowing. Understanding. No conditions. Even the words I use as I say this are not adequate. It is the most profound experience and I feel blessed I get to experience this through/with her.

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