Eckhart Tolle is wrong...

Posted on Mar 2, 2008 3:24 AM

ok, he is right about some things but I wanted to get your attention to say this...Something is missing in this book and though "touched" on, without, nothing he says can be or would be worth "being"...I don't know about you but a "New Earth" without Love isn't going to bring enlightenment, awareness or any other mental state or soul/mind ascension into being/becoming more like the "one" we are with God and the universe (something I've always believed and lived for over thirty-five years)...without Love there is nothing..."think" all you want to but without a true heart and soul that lives and feels and loves from a place, within a place of knowing what we are all to each other, what we have been from the beginning and we are "one"...without Love nothing is possible...certainly not a New Earth, or one I would want to live in.

And give me a break we have to THINK...even in stillness, even in quiet...we are thinking and to me that is a great thing, can even be beautiful, ethereal...yes, we can reach mental states that will bring us closer to "one"...but not without thinking and again, certainly, not without Love...maybe we haven't been thinking right, maybe there is a way to attain Zen...but thinking is like breathing...we just do it...Yes, we need to think better but we cannot "not think"...granted we could all use many of the lessons from this book and others (thinking more positively to ourselves and toward others), but he says the same things many have said/written and we definitely need to think, collectively, differently, but you can't do anything without thinking...or perhaps he just made this book from being "aware" and it appeared on the pages...thinking/living from a true heart and soul are what will turn the tides and bring us together, bring us peace within ourselves and none of it will happen without coming from a place of Love...Love is the most powerful force in the universe because it is the universe and it is God and Jesus and Buddha and Allah...it is each one of us...Love is the underlying message and purpose...being aware of that is just as important as attaining Zen, or whatever...but Love is definitely more important to me.

And I have this problem with this book. First, he speaks as if he has spoken to God, himself, the Universe and he knows the way, the "only" way we will deliver ourselves from ourselves...he is one man, one opinion...yes, there have been others and yes, many of us know we have to start somewhere and perhaps his words are a good starting place but to write from the point of view that this is the only way...I doubt it...it may be a way but I doubt it is the only way or even the best way. We use 3% of our mental capabilities and I'm sure as we learn to harness the other 97% we will learn lessons that will bring us, humanity, closer to the being and of being one with the universe and perhaps he is a few points above some on the Mensa scale but really, how can he know anymore than any of us that have had the same questions, arrived at many of the same answers, been on the same journey...everything he said has been said, has been thought...and yes, we do need to hear the lessons, again and again...and we do need to open our minds but I think it is even more important to "open our hearts" and he failed miserably there...what good are we to each other without Love....give me that New Earth, where Love decides peace and not war, where we all take care of each other without question of worth but of humanity...where doing the right thing is a "given"...only Love will heal, nurture, prosper, create and make a "New Earth" for everyone..."think" about that...Shalom.
Replies: 82
1. Re: Eckhart Tolle is wrong...
Mar 2, 2008 4:50 AM   |   In response to: michael516

While I do not think that Tolle is "wrong", I DO agree that something is missing.

I believe the CONTENT of his writings and his CONCLUSIONS are true, but I also think he presents these ideas in a simplified manner and that he is either unaware of, or ignorant of, the fact that MANY other people developed these concepts before him. While I am encouraged by the fact that the concepts he presents in his book are reaching the masses, I am disappointed by the fact that he seemed to do minimal research to back his points and that he COMPLETELY NEGLECTS to reference or discuss the conclusions of those that came before him that had THE SAME IDEAS, worked their whole lives to advance these ideas, and actually TESTED, RESEARCHED, and GROUNDED their theories in science.

Because he neglects to reference his sources or discuss how these concepts relate to current advances in psychology, physics, sociology, and the like, the credibility of the book declines.

Also, as a psychologist, I have to point out that his definition of the "ego" is actually WRONG!!!!

What he seems to be talking about when he says "the ego" is really something more like the "persona" - the "false self", the identity the ego creates initially to relate to the world and protect it's True Self. If you read Jung, Joseph Campbell, or Robert Johnson when they write about the "hero's journey", i.e. the stages of development that the psyche goes through to become enlightened, and thereby become "individuated", or centered within the "authentic Self", you will find that it is the "false self" that is unaware and reactive, while the ego just tries to mediate everything. This false self is called the "persona".

The Persona must be recognized and overcome to progress to the second step on the archetypal path to enlightenment defined in the hero's journey. Casting a light of awareness on the Shadow (all the parts of ourselves we deny and reject, and, in doing so become defensive and reactive to) is typically seen as the next step. Both the Persona and the Shadow are just different aspects of the ego. Because the ego developes to protect the emerging spiritual soul, it divides off certain aspects of the total psyche until we are ready to acknowledge them and accept them.

The ego, in a psychological sense, is not only NOT bad, but NECESSARY! Without a healthy ego, we could not function in reality. Without the ego functions we would be overcome by our own desires, be frozen by our own doubt and guilt, be crushed by our failures, and be unable to relate to others. The ego mediates other levels of consciousness. It strikes a deal between the internalized rules of our society (the Superego) and our impulses (the Id) in order to help us function in the REAL world. It defends your psyche against some of the hard facts of reality, of being a fully aware being, until you are ready to deal with them. The ego creates a persona to interact with the outside world and creates boundaries that help us function in society. Individuals that do not develop a healthy ego have a hard time functioning in the REAL world.

The problems come when we over-identify with the PERSONA aspect of the ego - the false self - the one we pretend to be to get jobs, lovers, friends, and respect. This is the unaware, reactive, inflated self that Tolle referes to as the "ego", when, psycholgically, the "ego" actually serves a USEFUL function. It's not that you should strive to eliminate your ego (you NEED ego defenses to get through daily life), it's that you should strive to be MORE AWARE of the difference between the persona (the face you show the world), the inauthentic Self, and the True Self. Once you can separate these aspects of your identity, you need to become more aware of the SHADOW aspect of your ego - the part of yourself that you hide, that you deny, that you react and defend against. Once you SEE, and then embrace, these different aspects of the ego, you then transcend the needs and defenses of the ego, pass through "the doors of perception", "the looking glass", and enter a more advanced stage of spiritual development - one based on risk (the leap of faith), and finding your true purpose in this lifetime.

As always, while many can describe the landmarks, "that path is for your steps alone", nobody else can guide you or inform you at that point. You must rely on your inner vision, the seed of life within, and faith.

This book seems to miss these points, and, in doing so, feels "off" in some way. Not "wrong", but that something VERY important is missing. The next step. The grounding of these ideas in the studies of those that came before. The placing of these concepts in the map already being drawn.

2. Re: Eckhart Tolle is wrong...
Mar 2, 2008 5:02 AM   |   In response to: michael516

Actually it's not love that is lacking, it's truth.

3. Re: Eckhart Tolle is wrong...
Mar 2, 2008 6:27 AM   |   In response to: bobpierce

Eckhart refers to Jesus' teachings throughout the book. how is that ignoring the teachings of others? i think that the "peace" and "Being" is "Love."
P

4. Re: Eckhart Tolle is wrong...
Mar 2, 2008 6:51 AM   |   In response to: trpnstn1

***The ego, in a psychological sense, is not only NOT bad, but NECESSARY! Without a healthy ego, we could not function in reality.*

I think you summed up his book perfectly. I knew something was missing and I esp took note of your sentence above. Because he openly admits that he was severely depressed and contemplated suicide could his teachings be coming from someone that should not necessarily be teaching in the masses? Just a thought..

Thank you for making me think that I was not the only one that cannot totally agree with everything he has written in his now very popular book.

5. Re: Eckhart Tolle is wrong...
Mar 2, 2008 6:59 AM   |   In response to: michael516

Maybe the love part is between the lines because without love we are lost. There is just so much that makes up an individual and only so much that can fit between the pages of one book. We do have to think maybe we are just being shown a way to think more effectively, a way to focus on the good in ourselves and not get stuck on the false tape that is running inside our heads. Whether that be ego, persona or any other label, that doesn't seem to be the most important factor here. Listening to the voices in our heads and then being able to move beyond the voices to a higher place of love and peace seems to be the message.
Thank you for your welcomed insight.
Peace j

6. Right...Wrong? IT ONLY MATTERS TO ONE PERSON!
Mar 2, 2008 7:11 AM   |   In response to: michael516

The lessons of "A New Earth" complete my life-long quest for peace. I remember clearly being a child of eight and endlessly seeking the reasons for conflict, hate, discrimination, divorce, love, attraction, materialism, depression etc. The contradictions of religion simpy would not allow me to subscribe to just one. The observation of an individuals need to entrench themselves deeply in one set of religious dogma or the need for scientific proof of eternal truth has always fascinated me. Almost everyone can read, however, all will interpret the teachings of "A New Earth" through their own prism of self and a highly personal world-view. After reading "A New Earth", I can relinquish the need to have anyone agree or disagree with the insights I have captured from the book. How can they be the same as mine? We are all in a different place on this great journey. Will we all get there? Where is "there"? It does not matter. We simply "are" where we "are" and I am right "here".

Best wishes to all!
Leslie B

7. Re: Eckhart Tolle is wrong...
Mar 2, 2008 7:15 AM   |   In response to: michael516

Hi, I was distubed in the beginng about a few things, one being the lack of love. There are 3 kinds of love, Agape...God's love, phileo..friendship love, and eros...erotic love. I believe in order to reach that pure agape type love one must first break the shackles of self. I personally found freedom or at least awareness of past thinking of defining myself, and future thinking of a means to the end. I found that knowledge quite liberating. I of course can not stop thinking either, however, just appreciating the "nowness" made it all worth while. There's a book I read prior to this one called the Master Key System by Charles F. Haanal. I highly recommend it. He goes into depth about the power of thinking and excercises to controll the thought process. Hope this helps...God Bless!!

8. Re: Eckhart Tolle is wrong...
Mar 2, 2008 7:22 AM   |   In response to: michael516

What is missing in this book is ego

9. Re: Right...Wrong? IT ONLY MATTERS TO ONE PERSON!
Mar 2, 2008 7:33 AM   |   In response to: lslbradfor

Bravo!
Peace,

10. Re: Eckhart Tolle is wrong...
Mar 2, 2008 8:02 AM   |   In response to: michael516

Yeah, I noticed he was 'wrong' about a lot of things...(usually pertaining to animals), but that's beside the point for me. What I want to know is if he is Right about the transcendence of the Now state. Does he really live this moment to moment and has put away all suffering and cares like a buddha? Does he really have something I want and need? ..or just selling snake oil?


The rest is just meaningless dogma and psychobabble.

11. Re: Right...Wrong? IT ONLY MATTERS TO ONE PERSON!
Mar 2, 2008 8:14 AM   |   In response to: buzz1byme

At one point in this book Tolle clearly states and without hesitation that God's Truth is Love. God is Love. Considering that is the cornerstone of my faith, I needed Tolle's ideas to support that simple truth as I know it to continue to absorb the rest of Tolle's ideas. I also thought the book didn't feel as warm or fuzzy as a book that contains this important realization should be. It has since been explained that Tolle's intellectual detachment is intentional because so much has been written and misunderstood about God and Love that he doesn't want any of that conditioning to distract from the Truth. Basically, it seems his intention is to allow each reader to develop their own personal connection to God and this Truth.

I still think there is room for more discussion of God's Truth as Love, but agree there are so many life filters distracting us from the reality of this it's hard for us as the collective to agree to exactly what that means. Hell, many of the fundamentalists Christians can't even agree God is good, nevertheless loving, it's no suprise the simplicity of this important message gets lost. This message board has been an overwhelming wake-up call of how far we, as a collective soul, still have to journey and why we, as humanity, are obviously suffering so much. I knew there was pain in the world, but I literally couldn't imagine faith not being based on Love, but fear. It makes my heat ache and that egoic reaction to the pain shows me how much I still have to awaken myself.

12. Re: Eckhart Tolle is wrong...
Mar 2, 2008 8:16 AM   |   In response to: michael516

We must learn to love unconditionally...that is our mission here in the third dimension...love unconditionally...easy for some, harder for others..this way we break all tapes that play in our heads...and we see the truth..love is the answer..

13. Re: Right...Wrong? IT ONLY MATTERS TO ONE PERSON!
Mar 2, 2008 8:24 AM   |   In response to: sparkledi

Thanks for your sparkle!
My thought is that we need to experience what it is we need, on our own. No one can do that for us. People seem to get hung up on labels and groups when what seems more important is to come together collectively with the understanding of whatever our belief system is, we are here to help each other on this journey through life. Our world has become so segregated and cruel. It does not have to be this way. Power, greed, and control seem to be winning out. Hopefully the force will be strong enough to turn this life around
Keep on sparkling!
;-)

14. Re: Right...Wrong? IT ONLY MATTERS TO ONE PERSON!
Mar 2, 2008 8:29 AM   |   In response to: sparkledi

This book is not about religion, and it's unfortunate that everyone seems to want to make it so. Religious choice is personal and this book is universal. There are so many more interesting facets to the book that could be discussed.

After several years of reading about Buddhism (which is a philosophy not a religion) and learning to meditate as well as be in the present moment, I immediately understood A New Earth. It's actually very simple, and Tolle explains the concept in many ways so everyone can 'get it'.

My only issue with the book is in the last chapter when he discusses Stephen Hawking and the implosion or contraction of the universe in relation to our own lives. Even this made sense until I discovered that Hawking's theory has been proven wrong. The universe is still expanding and is actually accelerating in that expansion! So now how does that impact on our return to the 'formless'?

Has anyone else questioned this?

15. Re: Eckhart Tolle is wrong...
Mar 2, 2008 8:46 AM   |   In response to: michael516

I know message boards are for people to blast their opinions out there for discussion, which is wonderful. But instead of blasting him of being wrong, take what you think he is right about and add it to your belief. If it doesn't feel right to you, doesn't mean that he is wrong, it just means it isn't right for you. I was brought up VERY new age (just to lable it) and the belief my Grandmother raised me with didn't all feel right to me. Alot of it felt very over my head, and alot of it made sense to me. Later in life I read a couple of books that put it all in human terms and it made more sense to me. We all learn differently.

Your Being is Love! You can feel it. Being love is different from Human Love. Being Love isn't selective. Being Love is One with ALL that is.

Holley

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