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Living on the Edge: Lisa Ling Reports How Far Would You Go?

Posted on Feb 21, 2008 4:57 PM

How far will people go to stand up for their values or provide for their families? First, Lisa Ling take us inside the lives of people who engage in the "freegan" lifestyle—a movement to try to live without contributing to a capitalist, consumer society. A former-executive-turned-"freegan" takes Lisa around New York City to teach her how to Dumpster dive and prepare dinner using only food that has been collected for free. Plus, when most newlyweds are picking out furniture and china, meet a just-married doctor and civil engineer who are living "freegan"-style. And, a suburban mother of three who works as a stripper at night in order to support her children shares her story.
Replies: 559
511. Re: Living on the Edge: Lisa Ling Reports How Far Would You Go?
Mar 1, 2008 1:40 PM   |   In response to: harpobear

All I can say is- everything is not always as they seem- you may have not gotten the WHOLE story but only part of the picture

512. Re: Living on the Edge: Lisa Ling Reports How Far Would You Go?
Mar 1, 2008 3:12 PM   |   In response to: 828498

The heart of this after reading your post and others that personally know this stripping Mom, why have the authorities not been brought into investigate their home/homes especially if these young kids are being left alone and the state of their environment and upbringing? Why does she spend the night at her husband's home without their kids??? (parties, orgies, what) From what I am reading, neither parent should have these kids until they get their own lives in order. Serious disfunction - I feel very sorry for their kids. I am so confused now with this segment - she is not a SINGLE Mom at all trying to support her kids? I am even more disgusted with this person than before. Greed, lying and self serving is how I am getting the portrayal of these parents. Please update.

513. Re: Living on the Edge: Lisa Ling Reports How Far Would You Go?
Mar 1, 2008 5:36 PM   |   In response to: imasinger2

imasinger2 First of all, I did not use Mary Magdalene as an example in my comments!...I used the "prostitute", that was about to get stoned by the men that were going to judge her by stoning her dead (Mary Magdalene) is not the prostitute that was saved by Jesus in the Bible ( You need to reread your Bible and retake Ancient History (Mary Magdalene was canonized and was not a prostitute) If your going to respond to my message please make sure that you are quoting the accurate historical information before putting it out on this message board for the Universe read...How embarrassing for you! Second of all, your missing the point, the point of my message was that IF your Husbands and Boyfriends were were committed to having a strong, loving committment with their wives and girlfreinds (if they were honoring their promise to them) and going home after work instead of making a stop at these establishments, these establishments would close down, due to lack of business. So, Moral fortitude starts at Home and is "your" responsibility to make sure that your husband/boyfriend have no need for strippers and the like. If there is no need for a product a product will be discontinued. If there are no customers frequenting these stripper establishments than there would be no further need for strippers. DO YOU GET IT KNOW???? No Horny boys=No more strippers!!! I can't break it down more simply for you and the other thousands of woman that are still trying to blame the stripper? you need only to look where you husbands/boyfreinds are going on their lunch hour and where they are going to have drinks with clients after work to know that The Consumer (your husband/boyfreind) are keeping these places open for business and profitable, no the strippers the strippers are just the product that your Husband/boyfrind is purchasing before he heads home to you. Your putting the blame, responsibility and temptation on the actual stripper and the owner of the establishment...When you should be asking yourself what can I do to keep my husband/boyfriend from needing this kind of outside temptation and stimulous. It takes two to cheat and we have certainly seen plenty of woman look the other...Even our own Presidential Candidate looked the other way and forgave Bill of his transgressions and Monica wasn't even a stripper??? And it also takes two to save a marriage...so, stop blaming strippers for your husband/boyfriends infidelity. As for the rest of your message totally irrelevant since you missed the entire meaning of my posting!!! Have a great day! and start reading that Bible : )

514. Re: Living on the Edge: Lisa Ling Reports How Far Would You Go?
Mar 1, 2008 5:57 PM   |   In response to: tinakos1

Tinakos1 *Thank you! Finally! Someone with clear minded* intelligence, enough to see things from different perspective, and one of ownership. Thank you! I, too am not a huge fan of stripping and I would have never put her child on television, especially after hearing all the judging sinners spark up their torches, I hope her children are still going to be able to have a happy childhood without having to go into the witness relocation program...from the sounds of it, the Bible Thumpers probably won't allow them to. What a heart breaking story for all, especially the judgementals. I would have thought that we had come allot farther then we have, but, by reading some of these posting, we haven't grown that much Spiritually at all...were still pointing fingers at all others and condemning them for being even slight;y different then ourselves, the messages clearly say that we are so far in denial with the "My Husband/Boyfriend would never do that" mentality When are we going to stop blaming others for our own inadequacies, disappointments, thoughts actions and deeds, stop looking outside of yourself and start rebuilding your own moral foundations.

515. Re: Living on the Edge: Lisa Ling Reports How Far Would You Go?
Mar 1, 2008 6:22 PM   |   In response to: harpobear

I am in shock. I actually know Marianne and her children. I almost fell over when I read the article. I have to say I feel for her true friends that were there for her when she was desolate, the ones that would have done anything for her.. and they did, are feeling pretty betrayed right now. I watched her friends ralley for her and support her in all of her changelles. They celebrated her children's birthdays with her, emotionally supported her through her divorce and celebrated her second marriage. She can add them to the list of people that didn't know about her double life. I am sure that none of them would judge her, but I hope that she gives all of them time to heal.

516. Re: Living on the Edge: Lisa Ling Reports How Far Would You Go?
Mar 1, 2008 7:22 PM   |   In response to: harpobear

I work for the number one retailer in the country and most likely around the world and you would not believe what they throw away everyday. It's because of the way they merchandise in such mass and bulk that causes the product to be thrown away by the hundreds of pounds per day per store. I'm talking about fresh baked items, cooked chicken, produce, dairy.... Everyday when the product goes in the trash I think of all the starving people in this country and around the world that could use the food we throw away everyday. What bothers me the most is we are not allowed to give the product to shelters. Maybe these people should visit our dumpster's.

517. Re: Living on the Edge: Lisa Ling Reports How Far Would You Go?
Mar 1, 2008 8:10 PM   |   In response to: harpobear

I am Marian's friend. She is aware of the controversy that has resulted from her appearance. She had disclosed to Lisa Ling the fact that she was married but chose to live life independantly. It hurt her that they omitted that during the show. Nonetheless, she feels very badly about all this and is sorry for embarrassing anyone. She quit the dancing job today. She is moving in with her husband and the apartment will be vacated. Let us forgive and move on.

518. Re: Living on the Edge: Lisa Ling Reports How Far Would You Go?
Mar 1, 2008 8:16 PM   |   In response to: sparky57

I suppose you would also remove two of your brother's only two kidneys just to save your own child? Where is the dignaty and ethics in this. If she would trust in God, He will make a way out! He doesn't want her to have to sin to make it. But she needs to do her part too, she needs to rely on God. He can't and won't do it, with out the stripper's support.

;) God bless ya!

519. Re: Living on the Edge: Lisa Ling Reports How Far Would You Go?
Mar 1, 2008 8:44 PM   |   In response to: fatmom38

Don't you think it is a little late to be reporting that she is moving back in with husband and quitting the strip club? The damage has already been done to those children. Any responsible mother would have thought of such a thing. What was this, another way to get something she wants? Those children have been through enough. They already don't know where their Dad is and now their mother is a stripper. How on earth can any responsible mother explain this one to their children? Looks like to me she was trying to make a point to someone but just who is the question or was it just a chance to promote the book which she says she is writing. I personnally can't wait to read the book as I know her and want to see how many more lies are in it. Maybe that first husband had a reason for disappearing. I don't think he should have abandoned his children but there is always two sides to every story. I just know the whole story is not being told here. I don't think any man in his right mind would move a women like this back in with him if he loved her in the first place. How on earth could he stand by her in promoting what she just did. Something is missing in this picture. Someone is not telling it all. I think it is a situation where she is trying to get attention from someone but just don't know who. She should have just gotten her thrills and attention by leaving her children out of the story. These beautiful children do not deserve to have to go through this. How sad!!!!!!!

520. Re: Living on the Edge: Lisa Ling Reports How Far Would You Go?
Mar 1, 2008 9:11 PM   |   In response to: jennae1993

"jennae1993 wrote: I would rather be poor than have other women's husbands spend their hard earned money on me at a strip club. I have to say that I take offense to her saying that it is a way for business men needing to unwind. It is terrible that she has conversations with these men about their wives and children. They should be home with their wives and children instead of spending money to watch women strip. It is because of these women that men view women as sex objects. "

If you can say "I would rather be poor than have other women's husbands spend their hard earned money on me at a strip club" then I have to wonder if you have ever been POOR? Dancing for money is not a great career and you live in fear of peoples judgement; judgements like the ones you are making, but if you have tried and tried to provide for your family "the right way" and find yourself facing homelessness for you and your children or not being able to afford medical expenses or not being able to pay utilities or buy food then you have to do something else.

Frankly, when I danced I found that the GREATER part of my money came from married men who, more than ANYTHING, just wanted to be heard. Men would pay me to NOT DANCE and pay the DJ to take me out the rotation so that our conversation would not be interrupted by stage time. These men are not in bad marriages, they love their wives and children but they want someone to listen to them. Think about that the next time your husband comes home and you start complaining that he hasn't done this, that or the other. A lot of men, by the way, bring their wives to the club with them and they BOTH have a good time. Perhaps you should go to a club and actually see what goes on before you get so high and mighty.

Furthermore, it is NOT because of THESE women that men view women as sex objects. In our society there is a bombardment of sexually pervasive material for everyone to see. Have you looked at a newsstand lately? Or turned on your television? Music, even country music, is full of sexually driven content that adds to the plethora of decisive material.

Besides all of that, people have admired the human form since the dawn of time, it is nothing new. It is only in this puritanically repressed society that we feel the need to shame someone for being the object of visual appreciation and scorn those who seek to admire.

I really hope that you continue to be so blessed as to never have to make such a choice as so many women have.

521. Re: Living on the Edge: Lisa Ling Reports How Far Would You Go?
Mar 1, 2008 9:44 PM   |   In response to: harpobear

I'm suprised and disappointed as I read thru all these posts. I've been thinking about this show ever since I watched it. The Stripper Mom was both beautiful and seemingly a genuinely nice person and good mother. She seems like the type of person anyone could be friends with. However, why is it that no one seems to care about this woman's inner self, vs her financial well being? I'm trying not to be judgemental, seriously...we all do what we feel is right at the time. Everyone is talking about how brave this woman is and how she should be applauded, I'm thinking these most be other stripper moms doing the clapping. At one point this mother said she just tries to be nice and smile at the men that are coming in to relieve there stress (mind you she is smiling at them naked) I hope this Stripper Mom reads this and knows I'm not condemning her. In fact this next part is for you: Please look a little deeper. You said that you sometimes even talk to these men about there wives and children. Hello???? Do you realize these men are not going home and talking to their wives and kids about you? Do you realize what this sort of thing can do to marraiges? children in these marriages? I know you are not responsible for the men that come to the club, but does it not bother you to contribute towards it? The mistress of a cheating man is not to much to blame as the spouse, but isn't a mistress still accountable for her part? I'm willing to bet most of the men that come in and lust over you, have wives at home that have no idea that they are. I find it so sad. Yes you have a BEAUTIFUL body. Yes you have GORGEOUS Abs. Yes you are everything most men want- especially because they never have to see you with nightcream on your face, a pregnant belly, or a two year old hanging on your hip while you are in your pjs. You could be using that talent in so many other ways, such as in your desires to be a personal trainer! What a great job for you, and you would be doing the world such a service! You are right though, most jobs WILL NOT pay you what you are making stripping, or afford you the time that you currently have with your kids. Still isn't it okay to show your kids that sometimes you have to WORK HARD doing honest and moral work, even if you prefer not to? I think you are resourceful. I think you should be proud that you can make it on your own and raise your children, but have you thought about what you are teaching them about making more money, with less work, doing whatever it might take to do so? We would not think it okay if you were a drug dealer --simply making money to support your family, and working less hours to be able to spend time with your children does not make a profession admiral. Some might argue that isn't the same because drug dealers are hurting others. I in no way shape or form think that you are doing anything obscene with these men, but we do know that strippers are often linked to world of Escorts and Prostitutes. I would doubt everyone would be applauding the Prostitute mother for being able to work one night a week and support her kids, because she was able to drive a nice car and spend more time with her kids. Oprah said she hoped no mother would judge you and not allow her children to play with your children, but I have to tell you if you lived on my block, I'm not sure I would. It wouldn't be about you, or thinking that you were a bad person. It would be about MY child, and what you were teaching my child. What child isn't going to look up to a gorgous mother, who seems to be making A GREAT deal of money (SUV looked pretty fancy!) and doesn't have to work much? Much less girls desperately look up to mothers for role models and to determine who they want to become. I wouldn't want my daughter and your daughter dancing around in their room upstairs with a pole, pretending to be strippers and thinking this is something they should be aiming for. THIS is the only reason why I wouldn't want my daughter playing at your house. I can see where it would be fun to have every man confirming how hot you are everytime you go to work, but in the long run I think you will regret this choice. You've been on the Oprah show. My guess is you could teach a stripper aerobic class and charge BIG BUCKS and make more than enough money teaching women how to be as sexy and confident as you are in front of their own husbands. Have the classes at your place. Book private sessions. Talk to a local gym, they will hire you in a second. I hope you will explore your other opportunities. I think maybe that is WHY you were called to the Oprah show. Here's your chance. You said you were creative. Everyone has seen what great shape you are in. Go do something that will not only feed your kids, but ultimately make you feel better about your contribution to the world, and also that won't cause others pain and grief that you don't think about because it doesn't effect YOUR family. You said you were coming on the show because you didn't want to hide, and didn't feel you should be condemned for what you were doing, but I'm thinking there was more to it than that. The reason you are feeling bad about others condemning you for your choices, is because deep down inside, you are condemning yourself too. That can change. I really do wish Stripper Mom the best of luck, and I really hope that she comes back on the show someday to tell us what she has done. I also really hope she didn't convince a million other woman to go get a rock hard body, and look for this type of quick money, with less hours work.

522. Re: Living on the Edge: Lisa Ling Reports How Far Would You Go?
Mar 2, 2008 6:35 AM   |   In response to: beautigirl

beautigirl wrote:Don't you think it is a little late to be reporting that she is moving back in with husband and quitting the strip club? The damage has already been done to those children. Any responsible mother would have thought of such a thing. What was this, another way to get something she wants? Those children have been through enough. They already don't know where their Dad is and now their mother is a stripper. How on earth can any responsible mother explain this one to their children? Looks like to me she was trying to make a point to someone but just who is the question or was it just a chance to promote the book which she says she is writing. I personnally can't wait to read the book as I know her and want to see how many more lies are in it. Maybe that first husband had a reason for disappearing. I don't think he should have abandoned his children but there is always two sides to every story. I just know the whole story is not being told here. I don't think any man in his right mind would move a women like this back in with him if he loved her in the first place. How on earth could he stand by her in promoting what she just did. Something is missing in this picture. Someone is not telling it all. I think it is a situation where she is trying to get attention from someone but just don't know who. She should have just gotten her thrills and attention by leaving her children out of the story. These beautiful children do not deserve to have to go through this. How sad!!!!!!! beautigirl wrote:Don't you think it is a little late to be reporting that she is moving back in with husband and quitting the strip club? The damage has already been done to those children. Any responsible mother would have thought of such a thing. What was this, another way to get something she wants? Those children have been through enough. They already don't know where their Dad is and now their mother is a stripper. How on earth can any responsible mother explain this one to their children? Looks like to me she was trying to make a point to someone but just who is the question or was it just a chance to promote the book which she says she is writing. I personnally can't wait to read the book as I know her and want to see how many more lies are in it. Maybe that first husband had a reason for disappearing. I don't think he should have abandoned his children but there is always two sides to every story. I just know the whole story is not being told here. I don't think any man in his right mind would move a women like this back in with him if he loved her in the first place. How on earth could he stand by her in promoting what she just did. Something is missing in this picture. Someone is not telling it all. I think it is a situation where she is trying to get attention from someone but just don't know who. She should have just gotten her thrills and attention by leaving her children out of the story. These beautiful children do not deserve to have to go through this. How sad!!!!!!!
I smell a law suit and it stinks. First she is a proud stripper "single" mom, who resorted to stripping to support her children because she couldn't make it on a 9-5 college degree profession, and now she was misrepresented on the Oprah show, and actually was married to a doctor who lives in a home they share separately from the children, and she is proud that she has the body and can do this for money at her age regardless of how other's will judge her? So the show was not about living on the edge and what you would do to support your family? Oprah you had an ahah moment after this show. Should have listened to your gut and not the ego to let the show air.

Ironically, now Marian is being judged so badly that it comes to a point where she is forced to quit the job in which she wrote a book about (which is nothing new, agree with that one) and all this exposure will be ruining her doctor husband's reputation in the town, no doubt.

OK. That wasn't what was said on the Bert Show, the next day. She had her chance to redeem herself then. My guess is its all unfolding and Oprah will make her apologize publically... Oprah has always stood by the shows she airs, and would not give her audience this air time had she known the truth about this situation. If she did know and just was filling up the time slot, well good luck to Marian in selecting a good attorney.

523. Re: Living on the Edge: Lisa Ling Reports How Far Would You Go?
Mar 2, 2008 7:07 AM   |   In response to: harpobear

I'm a regular Oprah viewer and I learn a lot by watching the show. I consider my self very liberal and open-minded. I was intrigued by what the guests had to say and I'm proud of some of the frugal ways I've managed to take care of myself & my kids and furnish our home over the years. What struck me as I was watching was Oprah's face as the woman suggested we all try to simplify our lives and not be so attached to material things. I immediately thought of Oprah's annual Favorite Things Show which seems to stem from Oprah's love of stuff you can buy at the store. It seemed a little hypocritical to me. I think it's true that the more money you make the more you spend (the people on Thursday's show are the exception). I recently received a raise and I find myself shopping instead of putting the money in a savings account. So far I haven't bought anything ridiculously priced or not practical. Hopefully my smart choices will continue and I'll r