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The Hidden Exit Out of the Ego & Answers to Questions

Posted on Apr 18, 2008

Hello Everyone,


I was once again astonished by Monday's night class on the ego. After ten years of attending almost every teaching session of Eckhart's, I was yet again surprised by his explanation of the ego, what it is and how it operates. His words help us understand the workings of the egoic mind, so that it can no longer trick us into identifying with it. As you may know for yourself, the ego is clever and cunning. A considerable degree of awareness is required so that we can recognize the ego, not only in others but also in ourselves. The awareness of course does not consist of words, but emanates from the stillness behind the words. Eckhart's answer to Oprah's question at the beginning of the evening, "If we are not our thoughts, then who are we?" was: "There is no conceptual answer to who we are beyond our thoughts...we are the formless consciousness..."


That awareness of the formless consciousness is what we may call ‘awareness being aware of itself.' In other words, we are now not only conscious of thoughts and sense perceptions, but we are also conscious of being conscious. We then sense the great mystery within and live life unencumbered by definitions. That is what Eckhart calls, "formless consciousness," and that is true inner peace.


This may appear esoteric or confusing only if you try to understand it through the thinking mind; which is of course impossible. This is why the essence of Zen is realized, as they say, through "No mind." Only through stillness, the gap between thoughts, can you discover the eternal formless dimension - God within. Every thought that you completely believe in (i.e. identify with) will lead you away from that dimension of depth within yourself. As Eckhart says, "existence means to stand out." Every thought form "stands out," calls for attention, says, ‘look at me!' And of course, the temptation is to give our whole attention to the form. When our attention is fixated only on the form and none on the formless dimension of consciousness, we loose touch with being, our true essence. For those who are comfortable with theistic terms, we could say that we have separated ourselves from God or have "placed other gods before God." The moment separation from God happens, unhappiness and suffering arise.


Unhappiness keeps you asleep, spiritually speaking, but eventually a point is reached where it has the opposite effect: it will begin to wake you up. Any form of suffering will either draw you more deeply into unconsciousness or it will make you conscious.


Smtan04 wrote, "Eckhart suggested that we make friends with the present moment.

What if you are being physically assaulted or violated? For example, a woman at a domestic violence shelter asked me, ‘How can I be friends with the present moment the very moment I am being raped or abused by my partner?'"


In other words: how can we make friends with the present moment in the midst of violence? The expression making friends with the present moment means to come into alignment internally with the now instead of putting up psychological resistance, which the thinking mind does habitually. It often happens that, if the present moment is truly threatening, the thinking mind actually ceases by itself and something else takes over: either an instinctive reaction (fight or flight) or even a state of heightened alertness (presence) that causes you to take appropriate action. For example, there are many reports by people who experienced this in war situations, or just before an accident was about to occur. So I would say, in any true emergency situation one of three things will happen: instinct takes over, presence takes over, or you are paralyzed by fear. If you practice being present in everyday life (make friends with the present moment), it is more likely that presence will take over in an emergency. It is also likely that you will find yourself walking out of situations or relationships that are potentially violent.


Occasionally, people have had an out of the body experience during a violent act. They experienced watching their bodies being attacked, but felt detached from what was happening. That is to say, they felt that their essence was not the body. Sometimes, this resulted in a shift in consciousness and disidentification from the physical form (body) as well as the psychological form (ego).


Crdodson remarks, "Practicing presence is helpful, but often an incredible emotional pain washes over me. I can step out of it, but it returns..."


If you are aware of the painbody (old accumulated emotional wounds) as it is coming on, you are not completely unconscious. The painbody cannot survive for long in the light of intense presence. It undergoes a transmutation. This is the meaning of the term "refiner's fire" and "transmuting base metal into gold." On the other hand, if there is no awareness of the painbody, you become identified with it, that is to say unconscious, spiritually speaking. Some years ago, occasionally I would have a painbody attack. Although I had some awareness of it approaching; it wasn't enough to transmute the old emotion. Then Eckhart would tell me, "The only thing left to do is to ride it out." And sure enough, the painbody went back into its dormant state; until the next time. As awareness increases, the painbody begins to dissolve. There is no way we can know when this will happen, just as we don't know when we will fully awaken. As the saying goes, ‘the apple falls from the tree when it's ready.' Have faith. Trust in the process. The evolution of human consciousness is happening whether we peacefully go along with it, or even if we resist it. In the latter case, suffering becomes your teacher. Some people have to be dragged into the kingdom of heaven kicking and screaming.


What happened to Joycebro65 was very important. She became aware of a negative thought and didn't believe in it. She didn't go there, didn't get drawn in by the thought. What really matters is this arising of awareness. Congratulations. I am very happy for you. Whether or not you chose this is of secondary importance and is only a question of perspective. Eckhart said something like this: when it looks to you as if you are choosing to be present, what is happening is that presence has chosen to manifest through you. And yet the perspective that you can choose to be present is more helpful than the one that says, ‘there is nothing that I can do.'


Tkdonovan writes about feelings of guilt. "If you've done things in your life that you knew at the time you had the power to do differently and have caused others pain, how do you just erase those guilty emotions?.... Are you supposed to go make amends when you awaken? Or do you just forgive yourself and move on?"


The cause of suffering that humans inflict on each other (and on themselves) is unconsciousness. Unconsciousness is identification with form (ego) and an illusory sense of separation from others and even from yourself. Whatever you did or failed to do in the past was a reflection of your degree of unconsciousness. The ego loves guilt because it gives you a strong sense of identity. But an identity derived from unconscious actions in the past is illusory. We could say that forgiveness is to recognize evil for what it is: a reflection of human unconsciousness. When you recognize this, you forgive, that is to say, as Eckhart puts it, "You don't make an identity for yourself (guilt) or others (blame) out of the dysfunction of the ego. And so compassion arises and you forgive yourself and others. Jesus words on the cross say it all: "Forgive them for they know not what they do." Eckhart says that if Jesus had spoken these words in our time he would have said, "...for they are unconscious." And then instead of contributing to the unconscious suffering, you heal people in situations by your very presence.


In closing I would like to leave you with some words that Eckhart said at last Monday's session with Oprah... "The Now is the hidden exit out of the ego."


Be well...be in peace,

Kim Eng

© 2008, Kim Eng

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I beginning to understand the whole idea of being present, but i have a question.... I have 2 children...a 3 year old and a 10 month old. When they get sick, for example, and get fevers and you just see them hurting and not feeling well, how do you go about not feeling so hurt by seeing them sick. Sometimes when they are sick, I wish i could take away their pain, but ofcourse that is impossible. So how do I go about accepting the present moment and still be happy without feeling so unhappy because they are "suffering"?

Thank you Kim. The reminder of the exit from the ego being the Now is unutterably beautiful. It is said that the Tao which can be described is not the Tao and I cannot even find the words to describe the depth to which that touched me in the class. I had written a song years ago in which part said: "I am dancing on the water, on the shore, the fiddler stands; scatters silver shards of melody in my bloody footprints in the sand. And I dance upon the waves,a wisp of blood and bone. And I call out to the shore "I love you... oh I love you!" And I leap toward the door." I had always thought that the fiddler was life and that the door was death but now I realize it was the song of the death of the fiddler ego (and that was why it left my footprints bloody in the sand) and that the door toward which we dance is Consciousness. It leaves me utterly breathless to catch this glimpse of eternity. bright blessings Clare

Thank you, Kim. Your insight is so helpful, especially on the painbody and guilt, two things I have been struggling with. Your blogs on the webinar have helped further illuminate Eckhart's teachings and are a blessing. Peace - Wendy251

Hello Kim: Can you provide some clarification of Collective Grievances (pg 65) "that remain in the psyche of a nation,... tribe and fuel a never-ending cycle of violence." If grievances are ego sustained, how do we achieve social justice in the world where grievances legitimately marginalize human life?

Dear KIm I met you at the Denmark retreat We spoke after the great Yoga class.I teach Yoga too and have used the web pod to show Eckhart to the students.I live in Dorset England. your comments after the web cast are helpful. lots of love to you both. from pam

Dear Kim: Thank you for your compassion, generosity, and very wise insightful words. You have been a great help to me, on my personal journey from entrapment of egoic pain, to loving peace. I am now aware that I am aware, and I have so much more insight and compassion for others. I still have daily challenges with chronic physical pain, but the emotional turmoil has subsided greatly. I have found a way out of my almost daily anxiety attacks and depressive states. I have found Eckhart's books and audio tapes to be of enormous help and comfort to me. I have just completed reading the paperbacks and listening to the audio books "The Power of Now" and "Stillness Speaks" as well as "A New Earth". It took me a few weeks to complete all of the books and tapes, and I still have a great desire to learn more. I listen to the audio tapes almost daily, and I find new and exciting insights all the time. I love the workbook exercises, and of course, the Webcast is fantastic. I have found the breathing and meditation exercises are a wonderful way to release me from the challenges of dealing with a daily chronic physical pain condition. I no longer feel the turmoil inside my mind that would haunt and torment me; I can overcome and work through the challenges of living with a chronic physical pain condition, along with anxious and depressive moods, so much faster now, then a few weeks ago. I have found acceptance and I can enjoy living in the NOW and be enthusiastic about working towards a variety of visions and goals without tremendous worry and stress. Please continue to help guide all of us, through your beautiful insightfulness and kind spirit. With Peace & Joy Carolyn

Kim, are the emotions part of the ego? I have been "semi" aware for about 15 years now. The new earth has helped me take it to another level. I still have issues and things I need to deal with in my life. This book I believe will help me do that. I still have a pain body that washes over me from time to time. Your explanation of just riding it out I believe will help. thank you..desi

Thanks Kim, I love your blog with your comments and personal experience on each weeks session.

You give them your undivided attention. when asked,"How do you honor something?" his response was, "you give it your undivided attention." rae133

Hi Kim I have enjoyed reading your posts and am grateful for clarifying things by responding to questions. This leads me to ask a question that has been nagging at me. I have good recollection of my dreams (while sleeping) and my question is about dreams. Eckhart answered a question about being unconscious. Are dreams unconscious or subconscious and what is the difference? What are dreams? A vehicle for the ego? Or are they divine messages? Or both?

Thank you Kim for your helpful words. I have a similar question as sdf926 here. I can see how offering compassion works in dealing with individual situations but not sure how it will play out facing super power with today's technology. I believe Tibetan monks are highly enlightened individuals and are less likely to be trapped in their ego as we do. However when facing a totalitarian regime like China, how does that awareness help them in any way? Gandhi's no-violence call succeeded because they were dealing with a civilized Britain. If US just offered compassion instead of fighting against Soviet Union, would communisim still collapse? What about those disappearing small tribes and cultures? Should they not fight to defend themselves?

HiKim!I have enjoyed reading your blog and I have a couple questions that I am hoping that you can answer. First of all, what do you do to protect yourself against another person's unconsciousness when you recognize it? Is the answer that the I that I am needs no protection because needing protection is a need of the ego? I am particularly thinking of unconscious family members. If a friend is acting unconsciously I suppose you can decide not to continue the friendship. However, how do you deal with family members especially if you don't want to participate in old egoic patterns of relating but want to spend time with them. If I focus on being present how can that really change someone else's reactivity? I guess of even more importance to me is how do I protect my children from unconsciousness. I am working on being present with each of them (I have a 6 1/2 year old, 4 year old and 18month old) especially in difficult situations like tantruming or sibling rivalry. I think it is going well. Most of the time I am able to recognize and stop the urge to get angry and react negatively like I remember my parents doing. It is amazing how much better my solutions are and the greater cooperation I receive. So I am protecting them more from my ego. But how do I protect them or what can I teach them to help themselves at such a young age. Or is it best to just limit their exposure as best as I can to people who frequently act unconscious until they get older?

I have difficulty being attentive. I go in and out of the various states of awareness. When I experience impermanence and "loss" my grief becomes so string that I feel pain. Now, perhaps I wanted to feel the pain to show myself how much I am able to love but at the end one has to come to the conclusion that "enough is enough." How do I bring myself back into awareness. I have been working in keeping awareness constant for years and it is still very hard for me to hold the states of awareness. How do I bring myself out of the pain-body and back to awareness when I am most identified with my emotional grief, perhaps wanting to proof to my "ego" how much I love. Why else would I want to remain in the pain-body other than to proof something to my ego.

Hi, Eckhart says: what's called getting in love is in most cases an identfication with desire and the need of ego. You get addict to another person or more likely to your image of this person. It has nothing to do with real love, that does not incluyed any type of desire. Could you explain this, I do understand the first part but not the conclusion. Thanks

Thanks so much for your answer to my question on the painbody, Kim. Every week I love coming here to read your follow-up to Eckhart's sessions--I find your insight a wonderful complement to his. Your response was particular helpful, and I do sense becoming more and more 'aware' with each of these attacks. I also recognize that on some level I haven't yet made the decision to completely give up the suffering. I hope I'm moving in that direction though--I believe I am. And I think 'trust the process' is a wonderful mantra. Many thanks, Cate

THANK YOU KIM!! PLEASE HELP WITH AN UNFINISHED QUESTION FROM LAST NIGHT'S WEBINAR....Eckhart was about to answer a very important question that many were waiting to hear....Oprah had asked him how he introduced himself to others without using roles or labels....but just as he was about to answer, Oprah interrupted him and he never answered that. How do you and Eckhart introduce yourselves, or explain what you do, to strangers or others you meet without defining yourself with roles and labels? Thank you, Smtan04

Kim...thank you so much for your post. I have a question....I have been explaining to my 5 yr old daughter that her negative thoughts are separate from her, and coming from a place we call the ego. She really seems to get it, and even said this week that her ego told her that she didnt have any friends, but she said she "ignored that thought". I was so impressed at her ability to grasp this idea/concept. This is the question....she asked me yesterday "mommy, does my ego love me". It was such a sweet question, and I want to answer it correctly, and age appropriately. Any guidance would be appreciated....thank you....

YES...I have the same questions...what part of our consciousness are we using when we dream. I heard one theory, that when we sleep, our essence makes a brief return to 'the infinite'...to halp us 'recharge' or something along those lines.... YES...what about dreams? If I see/meet my deceased mother in my dream...is that just the longing of my ego? or is that a level of consciousness that she can still connect with me in? ...for instance...

yes....SMTAN04...I agree... as much as Oprah 'appears' to be 'waking'...she sure jumps to the next thing pretty quick (ie: not so much 'in the moment'), interrupting him in the process.....as it appears on tv..she's not as 'awake' as she seems to think she is.... (course that's just a observation/judgement) but I was interested to hear him answer that...before being cut-off.... For instance...when people ask me what I do...or I'm in a situation where I need to introduce myself...I try to avoid saying that I'm a stay-at-home-mommy...because I don't want folks to 'label' me that way... I was curious to hear his answer.... too bad Oprah was busy rushing off tothe next thing... :(

I love your "down to earth" style of expressing the spiritual teachings that Eckhart so eloquently relays in the book. His words definitely resonate with me, and I feel the same when I read your blog. I like that you relate experiences of worry, painbody experiences, etc... because I am so in and out of consciousness myself. It makes it seem more possible to grow in presence for myself when I read what you have to say. As a person, like most out there, who don't have a complete transformation like Eckhart, sometimes it seems unconsciousness is too strong to overcome. Thank you Kim!

Hello Kim, Thank you for kind guidance. I would love to know what Eckhart's views are on the Law of Attraction and that "thoughts are things", how we can use our thoughts to manifest our conscious desrires. Visualization and believing that what we desire has already been recived are practices that take us away from our present Now, how do we reconcile this. I have watched Eckhart's DVD of his talk at the Findhorn retreat where he mentioned something to the effect of having fun with form as long as we don't identify with it but how do we do this? Thank you again Kim!

Kim, Can you speak about Mental illness and chemical imbalances? Can spirit override physical conditions/restraints? A lot of unhappiness is attributed to biology. Also, what is yours and Eckhardts view on metaphysical phenomenon? (Ghost, Aliens, etc). Has he written about near death experiences? Many Thanks.

I second smtan04's question about Eckhart's unfinished answer during class Monday night. I was waiting for the answer and felt frustrated that it never came! Eckhart was talking about being at a party and someone asks (as they always do!) "What do you DO?" He was interrupted before he could tell us how he would reply to that. Thanks for all the help you give on your blog.

Question about Eckhart and you.... In one of the only interviews with Mr. Tolle that I've read, he discussed how he could not be in a relationship with another because he lost himself in that form. What makes you different? Are two a particularly good match, did he grow since then, or both? What is a soulmate? What tips do you have for someone who loses control fairly easily when confronted with passionate or intense experiences?

Great Question !!! Please post or let me know if someone answers your daughters question !!!!

Yes ! PLEASE discuss this topic on Mental Illness. I have a friend who is Bipolar. I gave her this book to read. From reading this book the Ego is causing her alot of problems Compulsive thinking is her enemy ! She can't let go of thoughts / memories. Anxiety and Panic Attacks plague her. Is she even capable of helping herself? Once diagnosed, I am sorry to say , the ego does not want to let go of her. I have seen for myself how someone can blame everything on their illness. I actually feel bad about saying that. Can this book help or hurt her ???

Hi Kim, Thank you so much for your words here. What a blessing this whole thing is! I have a question about feeling sad (or pity?) for those in pain, for the Earth that is being abused, etc. Is that just the pain-body? Is that my ego feeling self-righteous? Or is it legitimate to feel and hope for those who are affected by human unconsciousness (even if they themselves aren't unconscious)? Namaste' Jen

Yes!! My sister has depression and had 5 suicide attempts and in the hospital 7 times. She underwent "shock" treatment and is now on lithium and trying to hold on for her 9 year olds sake. I told her about the book and talked about nature and my ah ha moments--she said that "stuff" does not work for me. I think her identity is so deep with the depression that she is afraid to let go of it. She would not get the attention she gets when she is depressed and she would have no more excuses. I am afraid this book would push her over the edge with fear and wondering about her sanity. I have had awareness when present outside with trees and flowers. Everything became so large that I felt I was having an out of body experience. It felt disconnected and like I was floating. IS THE FEELING OF OUT OF BODY OR FLOATING A RESULT OF BEING IN THE NOW??????????????????????????????????

Dear Kim, My question is about my work. I'm an actuary; statistics and mathematics for insurance companies. Very complicated stuff, this work needs a lot of brainpower. The flowering is happening very fast in me. People around me don't understand what is going on, and quite a few of them think I lost my mind ;-). A side effect is that I lost interest in my work. I enjoy so much more sitting in silence with people and see the miracle at work. Now I'm faced with a new challenge. I can't do my work anymore. If I concentrate very hard on complicated issues (mind based structures) I get serious headache with can last for weeks. Are you familiar with this? Warm hug, Lambiek

Dear Kim, My question is about my work. I'm an actuary; statistics and mathematics for insurance companies. Very complicated stuff, this work needs a lot of brainpower. The flowering is happening very fast in me. People around me don't understand what is going on, and quite a few of them think I lost my mind ;-). A side effect is that I lost interest in my work. I enjoy so much more sitting in silence with people and see the miracle at work. Now I'm faced with a new challenge. I can't do my work anymore. If I concentrate very hard on complicated issues (mind based structures) I get serious headache with can last for weeks. Are you familiar with this? Warm hug, Lambiek